Perfectly justified columns?

[Chris P. Bacon]

Does anyone know how does The New York Times achieve these perfectly justified columns without extra spacing without words?

How do I do that in In Design?

[Chris P. Bacon]

And if the Hyphenation slider is dragged down totally to "Better spacing" it's even better, and no H&J violations highlighting at all in 2 pages.

[James Gifford—NitroPress]

Right. And now you have a perfect solution for those two pages.

Which is how it works. All the tools will do almost anything... but not by themselves.

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[rob day · Accepted solution]

Hi @Chris P. Bacon 

I don’t think eliminating H&J violations means you’ll get the best setting—the violation highlight simply indicates lines where InDesign can no longer adhere to the rules you have set. So I might argue that the ideal is to not allow any hyphenation, word spacing, letter spacing, or glyph scaling (glyph scaling distorts the letter forms).

But obviously that’s not possible with a short measure—most of the lines create a violation—and it would look horrible with justified text as InDesign makes adjustments without knowing what your preferences are:

The InDesign default loosens up the rules for Word Spacing and allows word spacing to flex between the 80% and 133% , with the ideal being 100%. However, there will still be violations because there is no flexibility allowed with letter spacing and glyph scaling

If I set very liberal rules for word/letter spacing and glyph scaling, I can get rid of the violations, but at the cost of distorting and tracking the text:

I can tighten up the rules, get less distortions and tracking, and live with the violations:

I would rethink your 105% |120% |145% Glyph scaling—it’s distorting the the horizontal scaling to the point where it would be obvious to the reader. You want the desired setting to be 100%, and only allow a slight Minimum and Maximum change so the scaling is not discernible.

105|120|145 distortion:

     

[Chris P. Bacon]

I see. I thought that no violations means perfect text, thanks for sorting this out.

[Mike Witherell]

Hyphenation: 9, 3, 4, 1, 1p6, off, off, off

Justification:

80,100,120

-5%, 0%, 5%

95%, 100%, 105%

Keep Lines 2 and 2

Also, set the paragraph style to Optical kerning.

I promise you nearly perfect typesetting right out of the gate.

[Chris P. Bacon]

Thanks.

[Chris P. Bacon]

Using your settings:

Only the line pointed by the red arrow has rivers.

Compared with my "no H&J violations" setting (metric kerning, default hyphenationa and hyphenation slider all the way down to "better spacing") which has been declared as wrong way to justify:

Your settings work very well.

[rob day]

I don’t see any hyphens in the problem paragraphs—are you sure Hyphenation is turned on for those paragraphs? I think the built in greeked text isn’t hyphenating the way you would expect with normal text.

[Chris P. Bacon]

It's the hyphenation recipe of Mike, so it's definitely activated, but as I mentioned, " the hyphenation slider is all the way down to "better spacing":

[Chris P. Bacon]

I have set it all the way down to better spacing because the slider doesn't seem to change or shuffle the actual hyphenation settings above it. 

[Chris P. Bacon]

So Mike's settings are still valid.

[Chris P. Bacon]

What do you mean by "lines 2 and 2"?

[Peter Spier]

I believe Mike means in the Keep otions you should set it to keep two lines together at both start and end of paragraph.

[Chris P. Bacon]

Ah, I see.

[Laubender]

One hint from me:

If you setup your details with typography, any details, always do this on actual readable text and never do this on "Lorem Ipsum" filler text.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Professional )

[Chris P. Bacon]

I was thinking about that, great hint.

[rob day]

https://heisenbergipsum.com/

[Chris P. Bacon]

Great stuff.

[Mike Witherell]

Don't demo it on fake latin text. Use English. I promise you, the previously denoted numbers will do some nice typesetting for you!