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Does anyone know how does The New York Times achieve these perfectly justified columns without extra spacing without words?
How do I do that in In Design?
I don’t think eliminating H&J violations means you’ll get the best setting—the violation highlight simply indicates lines where InDesign can no longer adhere to the rules you have set. So I might argue that the ideal is to not allow any hyphenation, word spacing, letter spacing, or glyph scaling (glyph scaling distorts the letter forms).
But obviously that’s not possible with a short measure—most of the lines create a violation—and it would look horrible with justified te
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And if the Hyphenation slider is dragged down totally to "Better spacing" it's even better, and no H&J violations highlighting at all in 2 pages.
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Right. And now you have a perfect solution for those two pages.
Which is how it works. All the tools will do almost anything... but not by themselves.
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I don’t think eliminating H&J violations means you’ll get the best setting—the violation highlight simply indicates lines where InDesign can no longer adhere to the rules you have set. So I might argue that the ideal is to not allow any hyphenation, word spacing, letter spacing, or glyph scaling (glyph scaling distorts the letter forms).
But obviously that’s not possible with a short measure—most of the lines create a violation—and it would look horrible with justified text as InDesign makes adjustments without knowing what your preferences are:
The InDesign default loosens up the rules for Word Spacing and allows word spacing to flex between the 80% and 133% , with the ideal being 100%. However, there will still be violations because there is no flexibility allowed with letter spacing and glyph scaling
If I set very liberal rules for word/letter spacing and glyph scaling, I can get rid of the violations, but at the cost of distorting and tracking the text:
I can tighten up the rules, get less distortions and tracking, and live with the violations:
I would rethink your 105% |120% |145% Glyph scaling—it’s distorting the the horizontal scaling to the point where it would be obvious to the reader. You want the desired setting to be 100%, and only allow a slight Minimum and Maximum change so the scaling is not discernible.
105|120|145 distortion:
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I see. I thought that no violations means perfect text, thanks for sorting this out.
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Hyphenation: 9, 3, 4, 1, 1p6, off, off, off
Justification:
80,100,120
-5%, 0%, 5%
95%, 100%, 105%
Keep Lines 2 and 2
Also, set the paragraph style to Optical kerning.
I promise you nearly perfect typesetting right out of the gate.
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Thanks.
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Using your settings:
Only the line pointed by the red arrow has rivers.
Compared with my "no H&J violations" setting (metric kerning, default hyphenationa and hyphenation slider all the way down to "better spacing") which has been declared as wrong way to justify:
Your settings work very well.
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I don’t see any hyphens in the problem paragraphs—are you sure Hyphenation is turned on for those paragraphs? I think the built in greeked text isn’t hyphenating the way you would expect with normal text.
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It's the hyphenation recipe of Mike, so it's definitely activated, but as I mentioned, " the hyphenation slider is all the way down to "better spacing":
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I have set it all the way down to better spacing because the slider doesn't seem to change or shuffle the actual hyphenation settings above it.
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So Mike's settings are still valid.
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What do you mean by "lines 2 and 2"?
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I believe Mike means in the Keep otions you should set it to keep two lines together at both start and end of paragraph.
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Ah, I see.
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One hint from me:
If you setup your details with typography, any details, always do this on actual readable text and never do this on "Lorem Ipsum" filler text.
Regards,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Professional )
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Great stuff.
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Don't demo it on fake latin text. Use English. I promise you, the previously denoted numbers will do some nice typesetting for you!