Swashes not printing?

[A.E.D.]

I have a font with swashes (image below,) and when I export it to PDF they appear just fine. However, when I print, they get cut off as though they are at the edge of a box. But the text box covers the entire page. The frame around it is the bottom layer, and locked. It works when I outline my type, but outlining type changes the spacing a bit, and given that this has a long of chapters I really do not want to have to go through and manually do that. Has anyone else run into this? I'm baffled

This is how it looks in ID and PDFs:

and this is how it prints:

[Willi Adelberger]

Can you move the text to the top layer above the frame and expand the text frame to the maximum?

Export as PDF/X-4

Don't makes outlones of the text. 

[A.E.D.]

It's already on the top layer, and the text frame is to the margins, if that's what you're referring to. Unfortunately exporting to PDF doesn't really help because I need to print from ID.

[Brad @ Roaring Mouse]

Can you share a sample PDF?

[A.E.D.]

Here's the page I posted an image of!

[Eugene Tyson]

Open your pdf file in Acrobat Pro.

Find the Preflight.

In the Preflight Dialogue Box search for Outlines and select the Convert Fonts to Outlines Preflight

This will convert all the fonts to outlines in the PDF only (InDesign file will still be editable)

See if it prints ok now.

[A.E.D.]

It always printed fine from PDF, it's InDesign that I can't print from--and I need to beacuse I'm using the booklet feature 😞

[Peter Spier]

You should be able to print a booklet from Acrobat using the PDF and it should give better results than using Print Booklet froom InDesign.

[A.E.D.]

For some reason I lose print quality when I print from PDFs. I have tried changing every setting, so I have no idea why it does this, but that's a separate post. It's never been too big a deal before because I could just print from InDesign.

[A.E.D.]

Edit, clarifying: when I print directly from InDesign the swashes break. They do appear on PDF export, but I need to print from ID.

[Eugene Tyson]

As per @Peter Spier  - acrobat is better - if you're exporting to PDF print from there. 

No idea why it's not working directly from InDesign

What printer is it? What print settings are you using? What options do you have?
Hard to know

[A.E.D.]

Brother HDL8360. Duplex, high quality settings. But I've tested with a couple others and this seems to happen with every font whose swashes go a certain area out, so I think it has to be an issue with indesign font processing somehow

[Joel Cherney]

My hunch is that you are correct. I see the same thing occasionally when working in languages like Tibetan or Urdu. Both scripts have swash-analagous glyph components that wind up well outside the bounding box. When OpenType swash features are used to create these glyphs, they don't print well from InDesign.

Honestly, there are lots of things that don't print well from InDesign. Which is why we've been consistently posting here, for years (decades?), here, the message that is  better to export PDF and print from Acrobat, generally, than to attempt to print from InDesign. As Peter has pointed out, you can impose your booklet in Acrobat. I haven't looked at the Acrobat tool recently, but I remember it having comparable features to the InDesign Print Booklet feature.

[A.E.D.]

Ah, gotcha--that's frustrating! If the answer is "it's not possible" then I'll figure something out. I don't know why I lose print quality printing from PDF but that's a topic for an entirely different post, I suppose. I just wanted to find out if there was a way to make it work from ID.

[Joel Cherney]

There might be some settings, either in InDesign's print dialog, or in the printer settings, that might fix your issue. I don't know myself; the only printing I ever do myself is "okay, now it's time to proof the PDF export of the Urdu translation against the printout of the client PDF." But there is a great deal more expertise around here regarding fixing PDF export quality from ID, and also regarding how that impacts print quality. 

[Eugene Tyson]

There probably is - can you share screenshots of your step by step process of printing to your printer from InDesign? Include as many screenshots as possible and any of the possibilities from the the printer options.

[Brad @ Roaring Mouse]

When you are printing directly from ID, and working with live type, the font outline file is downloaded to the printer and is rendered there, dictated by the capabilities of your printer driver, so the "error" is actually happening in your printer stream, not InDesign. Your PDF works because it's acting as the RIP for your printer, so it gets to your printer pre-ripped, so to speak, with the font already processed.

The sample PDF you provided (although not exported from InDesign, rather printed to the PDF driver) had the font sent and processed properly, evident by the fact it works just fine.

Why do you NEED to print it from InDesign?

Also, how did you install your printer driver? Airprint or other? Did you re-add the printer after you upgraded to Sonoma? If you installed Sonoma over an existing install, there may be an issue there (Countless hits on a google search with Brother printers and Sonoma problems)