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February 3, 2023
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Two authors working remotely on InDesign

  • February 3, 2023
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I am the editor of a small nonprofit monthy newsletter created in InDesign.  I have a volunteer who wants to help me construct the newsletter.  Our subscription allows two users to access the program simultanenously.  She has tried to access the program by logging in using the organization's login and password so that she can access the file I'm working on.  I think this has been successful, but I'm not really sure since I haven't seen her change any of the content of a file yet.  This is a very new endeavor 

 

Is this the best way for us to share work on the same file?  We both work in our home offices.  

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CTrotterAuthor
Participant
February 4, 2023

Many thanks to all of you for this information.  I packaged an InDesign file and sent it to my volunteer via Google Drive.  Seems easy enough.  Waiting on her comments to see how it goes on that end.  This is also very useful information for the NEXT editor of this newsletter.  We're all volunteers here with varying degrees of computer competence.  But with your help and I think I'm ready to go forward to see if we can get this collaboration going.  

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
February 4, 2023

Packaging is very much the "suspenders and belt" way to pass an ID project around, as long as it's of a size that can be transmitted and stored in cloud exchange folders easily.

 

Develop a very strong backup procedure as well. Each person should work ONLY on a copy of the file, leaving the original sent as a backup/archive, and everyone should keep one or two iterations of backup on hand before deleting any older ones. Use a sequential version number and a date string, I'd recommend.

 

That is:

  1. Person A saves the INDD file as NEWSLETTER Rev001 2023 02 01.indd, and packages the project up.
  2. Person B makes a copy, NEWSLETTER Rev002 2023 02 02.indd, and does all work on that before packaging it up again.
  3. Person A makes a copy, NEWSLETTER Rev003 2023 02 03.indd... and so on.

 

So every participant each has a copy of the last-good version if needed. You can start deleting older versions (if there's not room to save all until the project is completed) at about three revs on each end.

 

rob day
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 5, 2023

An advantage of a sync’d workflow is the CCF folder handles the versioning automatically—Dropbox does the same. If I check the history of this file that is saved to my CCF folder there are 15 incrementally saved versions I can drop back to. The CC versioning goes back 90 days.

 

 

 

With a sync’d workflow it is very important to communicate so the collaborators are not working on the same file simulataneously, otherwise you will get confilct copies.

Dave Creamer of IDEAS
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 4, 2023

My two cents...

First, clarify your licensing as @Peter Spier noted. Being able to technically run two users of the Creative Cloud software at the same time is different from doing it legally.  

 

I use Creative Cloud storage, DropBox, OneDrive (1TB each for personal and enterprise), Google Drive (3 accounts at once, 15 GB with any gmail address), and Box. They ALL operate about the same and have desktop software to install. 

 

You usually get 100GB included with our Creative Cloud subscription, which should be enough for a newsletter. Eventually, you may have to archive older newsletters elsewhere if you get near your storage limit.

 

Personally, I like OneDrive--you get 1 TB (appx. 1000 GBs) with any home Microsoft Office subscription. Mine is only $99 US and I can share 4-5 installs with others users, and each user gets their own 1 TB OneDrive. (I wish the Adobe subscription was a flexible!)

 

One thing on all of the services mentioned: you should install the desktop app on both systems, however you need to allow time for the file(s) to upload to the cloud from one system and then download/sync to the other system. The files should NOT be worked on during this time. This can take a minute or two or 20, depending on the size and quantity--even if the computers are right next to each other.

 

BTW, nothing will happen to your local files if you cancel any service. The cloud storage and file sync simply stops.

 

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)
Geоrge
Legend
February 4, 2023

InCopy for work with text when another man works with other tasks. 

 

Or use it LayoutZone if you can't divide task to text/other. https://www.automatication.com/product/lz/

Remember, never say you can't do something in InDesign, it's always just a question of finding the right workaround to get the job done. © David Blatner
BobLevine
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 4, 2023

If you package the file into a Dropbox folder (I am not a fan of Creative Cloud storage for this) or OneDrive folder not only will you both have access but you'll have the ability to roll back in case of any issues.

 

I'm going to also recommend InCopy for your volunteer assistant. That will restrict the other person's ability to simply edit text without any risk to the integrity of the layout. Non-profit or not, you both need at least a minimal amount of training or you're risking winding up in a world of hurt, IMO.

rob day
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 4, 2023

I am not a fan of Creative Cloud storage for this

 

Hi Bob, Curious why not? As far as I can tell the Creative Cloud Files sync’ing folder works the same way as the Dropbox sync folder. For awhile the CCF folder wasn’t incemental, but they seem to have fixed that.

BobLevine
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 4, 2023

For starters, the storage amount is going to vary by user and is not very high unless you pay for the 1TB plan. Also, and this is the biggie, anyone canceling their account risks losing their files.

I know that holds for Dropbox and OneDrive as well but those are standalone services, not a throw-in that some might forget about.

Finally, when there are issues, how long will it take Adobe to fix them? Ask the Publish Online users about that one. I'd rather go with a service dedicated to file sharing.

rob day
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 4, 2023

Hi @CTrotter , Your Creative Cloud app iinstalls a sync’ing folder named Creative Cloud Files in your computer’s user folder. Any files and folders saved to that folder are sync’d to your cloud account and you have the option to invite others to sync to a specified project folder. More here:

 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign-discussions/do-indesign-links-work-with-adobe-cloud-multiple-users/td-p/11521179

 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign-discussions/idlk-files-over-cloud-storage/td-p/11307839

 

Peter Spier
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 4, 2023

When I was the technical advisor to a college newspaper we handled this by doing separate files for each page so multiple students could work at the same time.

 

I want to clarify your licensing, however. Unless you purchased a two-seat license two users may not use the software. The standard license allows the installation of the software on two devices for non-simultaneous use by a single user, such a an office workstation and home machine or travel laptop. Not saying you are abusing your license, just want to be sure you know that a single subscription allows only one user.

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
February 3, 2023

InDesign does not have any significant co-work/collaboration features. The only effective and safe way to share work is to transfer the work file/s themselves.

 

In an organization, this can be done by sharing access to a network location and coordinating work times. If you're both more or less solo, the most effective way to share the job is for each of you to save your last version to Dropbox or Google Drive, and the other to download it — and vice versa. Set up a careful name-versioning system and archive at least two or three file versions from each direction at all times, so that you can back up if a file gets corrupted or incorrect changes are made. Neither of you should ever work on the only copy that has updates or changes from the other — each of you should start by making a work copy, and then the same on the return loop.

 

You could probably work with local resources such as images as long as they don't change... if there are images or other content that one changes, the other would have to download it for their workflow. It can get a bit complicated.

 

The alternative to most of that is for each user to "package" the project and upload the whole project file to the shared file source, but packaged projects can get very large and maintaining a few archival copies could take a lot of shared space as well. A carefully planned sharing of the resource. font, and other support files, and then just swapping the actual INDD file on each round, is... more streamlined.

 

That make sense?

 

CTrotterAuthor
Participant
February 4, 2023
Thanks for the quick response. I read that another to do this is through InCopy - an app I'm not yet familiar with.

Do you think this might be the way to go?
Community Expert
February 4, 2023

InCopy workflow might be difficult to implement if you've both never used it before.

 

The best way is to divide the work out. 

One person works on it - puts it in an email or dropbox/one drive/cloud etc. 

The next person works on it.

 

You can't both work on the same file at the same time.

You'll have to take turns.