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What does the letter P stand for?

Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Hey gang,

In the rotation icon in the Control Panel of InDesign, what does the letter "P" stand for?

Mike wants to know!

Mike Witherell
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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Page

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Mentor ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Position.

Edit: it shows if the object is rotated / flipped. Page is not touched here.

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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

That might be even better. Honestly, never gave it much thought.

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Mentor ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

So did I

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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Right. I thought it was the way the PAGE was positioned but I guess it was the way the page object was POSITIONED.

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Guru ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

i thought it was position too

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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Come on, guys, dig deep! What does it stand for?

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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Are you talking about the Pilcrow?

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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Nope:

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People's Champ ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

I don't think the P itself "means" anything. Just an icon to indicate the degree of rotation of the object or when it's flipped. The hover pop-up tooltip says "flipped" or "not flipped" which isn't completely accurate.

If it had a graphic there instead of a P, we really couldn't easily tell when the graphic is rotated 90 degrees or flipped. But with a letter P, we can quickly see when it's lying on its side or backwards.

Mike, why do you ask?

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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Yeah, Mike!

What’s the story here?

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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Hi Bevi,

my German InDesign is also showing a "P".

So I think "Position" is meant. Same word in German.

"Pivot" would have been perhaps translated as "Drehpunkt" ( "D" ) or "Achse" ( "A").

Regards,
Uwe

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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Both "A" and "D" would pose a practical problem wrt mirroring and flipping.

I've always understood it as Portrait: "This is the 'normal' position".

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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

The Help file says:

The flip/rotate indicator (P) in the middle of the Control panel appears white with a black outline if an object is flipped. If the object is not flipped, the indicator is solid black.

and the link is here:

Transform objects in InDesign

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Mentor ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

IMO, such *icons* very often have historical roots. Yes, I think, its rather an icon nowadays than an actual abbreviation of any meaningful word (@Uwe: this also explains why it is not translated).

As far as I remember P was always used in Print Setup dialogs, and, most likely, its meaning was Portrait, like [Jongware] pointed out. Yeah, that’s a classic meaning.

Now, in ID’s Control panel, function is different (but it is still about orientation), and one may apply to it another, *better* word, which still starts with P 

Print1.png

Print2.png

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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Bottom line here is that the "P" stands for Puzzle.

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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Hi Bevi and all,

Usually, there is an official name for everything in InDesign. When I'm teaching, I like to know the exact name of even obscure bits of the interface. (I'm teaching an InDesign class right now in Washington DC). It is a fun question, no?

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Community Expert ,
Jun 12, 2019 Jun 12, 2019

Mike, do you have an answer, or looking for theories and opinions?

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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Pivot

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Community Expert ,
Jun 11, 2019 Jun 11, 2019

Surely it stands for Paper

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Explorer ,
Jun 19, 2019 Jun 19, 2019

or P​osition...

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Community Expert ,
Jun 12, 2019 Jun 12, 2019

it shows the direction of flipped object, see my sample. flipped.

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and this one: not flipped.

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Community Expert ,
Jun 12, 2019 Jun 12, 2019

I had no idea how obscured this is turning out to be!!!  

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Guide ,
Jun 12, 2019 Jun 12, 2019

My guess is nothing. It will have been inherited from the classic page setup icon, where maybe the fact that it's the first letter of 'page' was relevant, but I think the main reason the capital P was chosen is because when it's flipped and rotated in different ways, they look particularly distinct from one another.

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