why does a 1024x1024 pixel image when placed in a 1024x1024 InDesign document need resizing?

[Ian D361303828pe2]

I am new to InDesign and have to say I'm finding it a complete nightmare.  What happened to consistency between Adobe products?  It's a complete mess of inconsistencies when compared with Photoshop.

Anyway, first issue (of many) is I want to create a PDF booklet for the web using images that are sized 1024 pixels by 1024 pixels.  In Photoshop these have been created at 96ppi.

InDesign gives me no options to specify ppi - just the number of pixels.  When I "Place" the correctly sized image InDesign imports it at a smaller size and I have to waste time resizing and positioning it?

Why?  This is a VERY basic common sense function.  I tried changing the ppi in Photoshop to 72ppi (without resampling to ensure the image was still 1024 pixels) in case this was an issue as Mac vs Windows seems to set different ppi sizes for no sensible reason I can think of but that just came in even smaller, requiring even more resizing.

How do I fix this?

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Try testing a Save As JPEG with any other resolution than 72ppi as I suggested to @leo.r above.

By @rob day

But I've just created "default" image in Photoshop and done SAVE AS and SAVE FOR WEB...

Just in case - screens from Bridge 2024:

[rob day]

But try saving a 1024 x 1024 px JPEG at something other than 72ppi (uncheck Resample) and placing that.

My 70ppi test (or any other resolution) Placed at 100%:

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

But try saving a 1024 x 1024 px JPEG at something other than 72ppi (uncheck Resample) and placing that.

My 70ppi test (or any other resolution) Placed at 100%:

By @rob day

Please check my last post.

And you are on MAC - I'm on PC...

Attached 100 DPI / PPI files.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Try testing a Save As JPEG with any other resolution than 72ppi as I suggested to @leo.r above.

By @rob day

As you wish:

Inside:

Outside:

[rob day]

Right, your example placed at 100%. The W and H Transform values showing in your capture are the print output dimensions in InDesign Pixel units of the image at 100ppi, not the image’s pixel dimensions. Set your rulers to Inches and the W & H fields will show 10.24" x 10.24" same as Photoshop’s Image Size:

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Right, your example placed at 100%. The W and H Transform values showing in your capture are the print output dimensions in InDesign Pixel units of the image at 100ppi, not the image’s pixel dimensions. Set your rulers to Inches and the W & H fields will show 10.24" x 10.24" same as Photoshop’s Image Size:

By @rob day

OK, so now the other file is wrong??

BOTH were saved as 100 DPI / PPI...

[rob day]

Yes, Legacy Save For Web Resizes (doesn’t Resample) your 100ppi image to 72ppi on the Photoshop Export. It’s a constant source of confusion for print designers Exporting a 300ppi print image using Save For Web, and expect InDesign to place it at 300ppi.

I think it’s a mistake to Place JPEGs for any reason. If you are designing for screens there has to be an Export to PDF, PNG, or JPEG, for the screen destination, and the actual compression happens on the Export, not the Place

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Right, your example placed at 100%. The W and H Transform values showing in your capture are the print output dimensions in InDesign Pixel units of the image at 100ppi, not the image’s pixel dimensions. Set your rulers to Inches and the W & H fields will show 10.24" x 10.24" same as Photoshop’s Image Size:

By @rob day

So SAVE AS - with 100 DPI / PPI - retains this value - but SAVE FOR WEB - doesn't?

And:

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

I might be wrong, and I'm missing something, but why Illustrator is importing like this - please check SCALE value - and maybe SIZE just for fun - all are just white / empty files:

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

And:

By @Robert at ID-Tasker

Once again - InDesign - Place SAVEd AS - 72, 100, 144, 288:

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

> Attached are two files - can you check?

Yes, I can confirm that SAVE_AS.jpg is being placed at 50%, while SAVE_FOR_WEB.jpg - at 100%.

By @leo.r

Can you upload JPEGs generated on Mac - so I can check on Windows?

So we can check one more thing - if Mac generated JPEGs also place incorrectly in InDesign on Windows...

[rob day]

Looks like the 50% scale bug/feature was introduced with CC2014—does not happen with CS6.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Looks like the 50% scale bug/feature was introduced with CC2014—does not happen with CS6.

By @rob day

You are right - CS6 is fine.

Now we need to confirm if only Windows versions of InDesign & Photoshop are affected - or Photoshop on Mac as well...

[leo.r]

Can you upload JPEGs generated on Mac - so I can check on Windows?

So we can check one more thing - if Mac generated JPEGs also place incorrectly in InDesign on Windows...

By @Robert at ID-Tasker

I'm pretty sure it's the same on both platforms and cross-platform. I attached 3 files.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Can you upload JPEGs generated on Mac - so I can check on Windows?

So we can check one more thing - if Mac generated JPEGs also place incorrectly in InDesign on Windows...

By @Robert at ID-Tasker

I'm pretty sure it's the same on both platforms and cross-platform. I attached 3 files.

By @leo.r

Thanks, but how should I know which one is which?

Can you ATTACH them to the message - like I did - not place them as the contents of the message?

[leo.r]

Thanks, but how should I know which one is which?

Can you ATTACH them to the message - like I did - not place them as the contents of the message?

By @Robert at ID-Tasker

I did attach... Not sure how this system functions.

Regardless, when you download the files (via Save Image in browser), their file names Include 72ppi, 96ppi and web.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@leo.r 

72, web, 96:

[leo.r]

@leo.r 

72, web, 96:

By @Robert at ID-Tasker

thanks yep it's all the same.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@leo.r 

72, web, 96:

By @Robert at ID-Tasker

thanks yep it's all the same.

By @leo.r

So what's the conclusion?

a) Photoshop - Win - bad JPEG when doing Save As 72ppi

b) InDesign - Win - wrong import of a)

c) InDesign - Mac - wrong import of a)

d) Photoshop - Mac - correct JPEG from Save As 72ppi

e) InDesign - Win - wrong import of d)

f) InDesign - Mac - correct wrong import of d)

[leo.r]

So what's the conclusion?

a) Photoshop - Win - bad JPEG when doing Save As 72ppi

b) InDesign - Win - wrong import of a)

c) InDesign - Mac - wrong import of a)

d) Photoshop - Mac - correct JPEG from Save As 72ppi

e) InDesign - Win - wrong import of d)

f) InDesign - Mac - correct import of d)

By @Robert at ID-Tasker

Unless I'm missing something, it all works the same way on both Windows and Mac regardless of what platform the files were originated on. 

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

So what's the conclusion?

a) Photoshop - Win - bad JPEG when doing Save As 72ppi

b) InDesign - Win - wrong import of a)

c) InDesign - Mac - wrong import of a)

d) Photoshop - Mac - correct JPEG from Save As 72ppi

e) InDesign - Win - wrong import of d)

f) InDesign - Mac - correct wrong import of d)

By @Robert at ID-Tasker

Unless I'm missing something, it all works the same way on both Windows and Mac regardless of what platform the files were originated on. 

By @leo.r

But you've said that when you do Save As from PS on Mac and place in ID on Mac - you don't have a problem with 72ppi?

[leo.r]

But you've said that when you do Save As from PS on Mac and place in ID on Mac - you don't have a problem with 72ppi?

By @Robert at ID-Tasker

Well this thread became so long and convoluted that it's easy to miss some details.

In one of the posts are added:

-If I create a NEW file in Photoshop and save it as JPEG, then it's placed at 100% in InDesign (which is what I did when I first reported testing this issue),

So yes, there's no problem with a file that's just been create from scratch in Photoshop (via File > New).

Other files have the same problem as reported initially.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

But you've said that when you do Save As from PS on Mac and place in ID on Mac - you don't have a problem with 72ppi?

By @Robert at ID-Tasker

Well this thread became so long and convoluted that it's easy to miss some details.

In one of the posts are added:

-If I create a NEW file in Photoshop and save it as JPEG, then it's placed at 100% in InDesign (which is what I did when I first reported testing this issue),

So yes, there's no problem with a file that's just been create from scratch in Photoshop (via File > New).

Other files have the same problem as reported initially.

By @leo.r

And that's why there is an "f)" on my list.

[rob day]

So yes, there's no problem with a file that's just been create from scratch in Photoshop (via File > New).

Hi @leo.r , That’s not what I’m seeing on OSX. A newly created file initially Saved as JPEG (not Exported) places at 50%:

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

So yes, there's no problem with a file that's just been create from scratch in Photoshop (via File > New).

Hi @leo.r , That’s not what I’m seeing on OSX. A newly created file initially Saved as JPEG (not Exported) places at 50%:

By @rob day

So there is THE SAME bug on Mac - like on Windows?