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Preran
Community Manager
Community Manager
October 29, 2021
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Why have Master pages in InDesign been renamed to Parent pages?

  • October 29, 2021
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Words paint pictures that speak loudly. The use of words with racist, sexist, oppressive connotations, overtones, or history can make the reader feel hurt, traumatized, or unwelcome. With this in mind, non-inclusive content and reference imagery in Adobe's products are being replaced with those that reflect the company's core values of diversity and inclusion.

 

As part of this effort, in the latest version of InDesign (version 17.0),  Master Pages have been renamed to Parent Pages within the application. 

 

Do let us know if you need more information.

Correct answer Preran

Hi all,

 

Thank you for your feedback and for sharing your opinions. We have read all your observations and shared them with the relevant team members. While we will keep this topic open for discussion, we urge you to maintain the decorum of this community by ensuring your adherence to its guidelines. 

 

We encourage you to make any change requests or suggestions on the InDesign UserVoice forum https://indesign.uservoice.com for them to be priortized by the product team.

 

Thanks,

Preran

 

15 replies

Participant
November 1, 2021

This is wonderful; but what about those who had parents who were oppressive and/or abusive? Aren't you making children of said parents unwelcome? Or those without parents - are you flaunting your parent-privelege?  Your software, your naming, but I think your thought process is certainly not continuously applied.

Participant
November 5, 2021

there are many people who are not parents or can not be parents.  Naming these pages as Parents are traumatizing to those who want to be parents and cannot be.  this is hurtful

 

Dave Creamer of IDEAS
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 5, 2021

This is getting ridiculous.  

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)
Geоrge
Legend
November 1, 2021

I don't like a games with a words. Parent can be not so good word here too (Child-to-parent violence as example of these strange word-games). Master for me is an ace (Master of arts, head of college, etc). English for me isn't native. But I wasn't seen applying master as pain word for some racism things whole my life. Here my opinion - Adobe isn't right with changing old known interface word. This is only my opinion as non-English native speaker.  

 

On other hand we are here for help each other, not for dousing with water Adobe decision or talking about "racist, sexist, oppressive connotations, overtones". Open on indesign.uservoice.com feature request about changing back Master pages if you so wanna do this. 

 

Thread is closed. 

 

 

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Community Expert
November 1, 2021

My two cents on this, doing such changes gives way more publicity to the negative aspects of whatever it is that is being avoided and defeats the purpose totally. The problem was never the words but the wrong use of them, rather than fixing the problem, educating people to respect others and be empathetic, what the organisations and so called leaders do is go on a rampage of changing the vocabulary of things that mean whole lot of other things in addition to the negative aspect. For me such cases are a perfect example of misplaced priorities. We are trying to herald a world which will have all the vices that we want to avoid but will add a new burden on the common folks to think through what words to use in a freewheeling coversation as you never know you unknowingly may use a banned world and people get offended(many for the sake of it without understanding the backdrop or context of the use).

-Manan

-Manan
Participant
November 1, 2021

This is the most pathetic, ridiculous thing I have ever read! If you look up the meaning of 'Master' as an adjective it means 'main or principal'. It's always been master pages and noone even thinks of it in a slavery kind of way.

Bevi Chagnon - PubCom.com
Legend
November 1, 2021

Some background on this issue: https://www.cnet.com/news/twitter-engineers-replace-racially-loaded-tech-terms-like-master-slave/

 

It's not just Adobe, but all major software vendors are correcting common terms with ones that are more neutral on many levels:

  • Whitelist becomes allowlist.
  • Blacklist becomes denylist.
  • Master/slave becomes leader/follower, primary/replica or primary/standby.
  • Grandfathered becomes legacy status.
  • Gendered pronouns (for example "guys") become folks, people, you all, y'all.
  • Gendered pronouns (for example "he" or "his") become they or their.
  • Man hours becomes person hours or engineer hours.
  • Sanity check becomes quick check, confidence check or coherence check.
  • Dummy value becomes placeholder value or sample value.

 

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Participating Frequently
November 1, 2021

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Kukurykus
Legend
November 1, 2021

Hi!

 

First of all, I'm not InDesign user, but Photoshop and Bridge where I'm focused on scripting.


Few days ago I met this information in other thread as well as sole 'diversity and inclusion' term. Since last days I tried to dispute over this change with other people in closed circle with no success, today I started looking more what it's all exactly about. By 'googling' I finished in this topic. As you are an emplyee sharing this annoucement I believe you are in power to reliably answer to my questions. Actually there are many, but I shrink them only to that what I assume is most important now.


From that I understand the 'Master' word (replaced by Parent) is from now on too oppresive to other people because of occurances in History. As I'm non-english person I can only guess it's about the times in US when about 150 - 200 years ago white people enslaved Africans in own country to use as servants / workers. How ever people from those times passed away so rather using 'Master' can't traumatize anyone, it is still unnice due to historical associations. And here's my question:


Since the Terms of Use state to be kind and respectful to other participants of forum, will be using Master word considered as unwelcome word we can no longer use in any context, even for Parent page, if formerly many InDesign community members have gotten used to this name? Basicly, if that's non-inclusive and though used without such intention may still contain negative overtone for some users, shall they been reprimanded or maybe reported for inappropriate language?


There are really not many informations in your post and on InDesign pages, just short general hint, all the more given without any previous officially presented information. I'm asking also as confused ACP to get to know present standards how to approach to people using in their language this word.

 

Thank you for the clarification, and by the way I would appreciate if you could send me to some page with list of similar hurting words that we should avoid to use on this forum, and which ones shortly may be formally restricted.

Dave Creamer of IDEAS
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 1, 2021

Is it really that difficult to say "Parent pages (formally master pages)" for a year or so? I feel your question is a mask for social commentary.

 

Unfortunately, racism is alive and well in the world, not just the USA. Since I will never know the sting of racism or how one feels hearing words/phases with racist overtones, I don't think it is my place to decide if  someone else if affected by them. 

 

Many idioms, including many I have used, have their roots in racism. I will consciously make an effort to avoid using them. That includes use of the word "master". I consider it the least of what I can do on these forums and my classes.

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)