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Job56
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December 13, 2024

P: Blackouts on secondary display in LR14.1

  • December 13, 2024
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When editing an image in the Develop Module ie changing any of the sliders the image on the secondary display momentarily turns black. The primary display stays ok.

 

PC specifications:
LR 14.1 - Using Graphics Processor on Auto or Custom
W11 Pro - 23H2
Intel Core i7 12700 K - 32 GB RAM
GeForce RTX 3060 Ti - 8GB - with the latest drivers

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    AARDVARK7
    Inspiring
    December 21, 2024

    I suspect that this problem follows other performance issues, as I don't think that Adobe utilises current architecture properly. CPU cores, memory bandwidth, and GPU power all appear to be under-utilised, with inevitable glitches and hesitation during operation. 

     

    It would be better if Adobe spent more time improving that side of the software, rather than developing the endless tools. 

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      Job56Author
      Known Participant
      December 21, 2024

      Unfortunately the LRC 14.1.1 update hasn't resolved this; the issue still exists.

      Rikk Flohr_Photography
      Community Manager
      Rikk Flohr_PhotographyCommunity Manager
      Community Manager
      December 13, 2024

      I am unable to replicate this using the instructions provided.  Can you please post your exact video card model and the exact Graphics Driver version number?

      Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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      AARDVARK7
      Inspiring
      December 13, 2024

      As pointed out, the specifications for both machines are completely different, so your request suggests that you are looking in the wrong place for answers. The symptom is simple: when editing, the secondary display shows a black picture, rather than the correct image. The surround is still the same, so it is not a monitor problem.

      JohanElzenga
      Community Expert
      JohanElzengaCommunity Expert
      Community Expert
      December 13, 2024

      Rikk does not say that it's a monitor problem, but because Lightroom Classic uses the GPU, it could be a GPU drivers issue. Outdated GPU drivers are probably the biggests cause of problems with Lightroom Classic on Windows computers. I do not see this on my Mac either.

       

      -- Johan W. Elzenga
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      AARDVARK7
      Inspiring
      December 13, 2024

      Same here. Completely different PC specs, so clearly a basic code error.

      Do they not test these releases fully???

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        Job56Author
        Known Participant
        December 13, 2024

        When in the Develop Module and using the scroll wheel of the mouse with focus on the secondary display the info display on both displays alternates between on and off. 

         

        PC specifications:
        LR 14.1 - Using Graphics Processor on Auto or Custom
        W11 Pro - 23H2
        Intel Core i7 12700 K - 32 GB RAM
        GeForce RTX 3060 Ti - 8GB - with the latest drivers

         

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        bhousto90
        Legend
        December 14, 2024

        I was able to see both issues with my system.

        1)  I opened a new image in Develop, clicked Auto and moved a few of the basic sliders around. No other Develop panels were used. (It occurs without using Auto as well)

        The 2nd monitor screen blinks to black every so often as the sliders are adjusted sometimes getting stuck on a black screen.

        It is inconsistent for which slider it affects and when it gets stuck.

        It seems to settle down after Lightroom has been running for a while?

         

        2)  If you move the mouse pointer onto 2nd screen and then rotate the mouse scroll wheel, then the Info display on both screens blinks on/off as it is rotated.  Unlike the screen blackout this is very repaetable, it is present every time you move the mouse scroll wheel while the pointer is on 2nd monitor.

         

        Lightroom Classic version: 14.1 [ 202412062302-d2b56666 ]
        License: Creative Cloud
        Language setting: en
        Operating system: Windows 11 - Business Edition
        Version: 11.0.22631
        Application architecture: x64
        System architecture: x64
        Logical processor count: 16
        Processor speed: 3.6GHz
        SqLite Version: 3.36.0
        CPU Utilisation: 1.0%
        Power Source: Plugged In
        Built-in memory: 32369.2 MB
        Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 1716.4MB / 8024.0MB (21%)
        Real memory available to Lightroom: 32369.2 MB
        Real memory used by Lightroom: 8740.8 MB (27.0%)
        Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 11410.1 MB
        GDI objects count: 1017
        USER objects count: 3476
        Process handles count: 2647
        Memory cache size: 2311.5MB
        Internal Camera Raw version: 17.1 [ 2098 ]
        Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
        Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
        Camera Raw virtual memory: 1793MB / 16184MB (11%)
        Camera Raw real memory: 2055MB / 32369MB (6%)

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        Final2- RAM:352.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, BH8-071224-3779.NEF
        Final3- RAM:352.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, BH8-071224-3778.NEF
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        Cache2:
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        U-main: 127.0MB

        System DPI setting: 144 DPI (high DPI mode)
        Desktop composition enabled: Yes
        Standard Preview Size: 3840 pixels
        Displays: 1) 2560x1440, 2) 2560x1440, 3) 3840x2160
        Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: Yes, External touch: No, External pen: No, Keyboard: No

        Graphics Processor Info:
        DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti (32.0.15.6590)
        Init State: GPU for Export supported by default
        User Preference: Auto
        Enable HDR in Library: OFF

         

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        Tony.S
        Participating Frequently
        December 14, 2024

        I too am seeing intermittent blackouts of my secondary display. This occurs when I am in the Develop module on my primary display, with the secondary display showing Loupe in full screen. 

         

        By "blackout", I mean the photo being edited is no longer visible on the display. However, all the other information in the UI for the display (e.g., header bar, loupe info overlay, bottom bar showing file name) all remain visible. 

         

        When a blackout occurs, making any change to Develop settings (including any change to cropping) causes the image on the secondary display to re-appear. 

         

        In some cases, I have been able to toggle the blackout on and off by making tiny adjustments to the position of one cropping line. In these cases, moving a cropping line a few pixels will end the blackout, and moving the cropping line back to its previous position will cause the blackout to recur. (I would provide a video screen capture of this behavior, but I haven't yet found a way to capture both screens simultaneously.) 

         

        Lightroom Classic version: 14.1 [ 202412062302-d2b56666 ]
        License: Creative Cloud
        Language setting: en
        Operating system: Windows 11 - Home Premium Edition
        Version: 11.0.22631
        Application architecture: x64
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        Processor speed: 2.9GHz
        SqLite Version: 3.36.0
        CPU Utilisation: 0.0%
        Power Source: Plugged In
        Built-in memory: 65219.9 MB
        Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 6925.1MB / 11996.0MB (57%)
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        Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: No, External touch: No, External pen: No, Keyboard: No
         
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        Init State: GPU for Export supported by default
        User Preference: GPU for Export enabled
        Enable HDR in Library: OFF
         
        Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic
        Library Path: C:\Users\tonys\Dropbox\Images\Lightroom active catalog\Lightroom Catalog-v13-3.lrcat
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