The problem I ran into, back when Transform was introduced, apparently got fixed along the way. Since I had given up on it, I just changed my workflow and never revisited the function. I got into the habit of not copying the transform setting.
No, I sometimes don't want it recomputed. Initially, there was no option. Copying (e.g.) the "auto" setting was (originally) akin to clicking the auto button on the target image. At least to the best of my recollection.
The current behavior (crop constraints aside) are what I have always expected should (be a choice to make) happen: copy the end result of the transform to the new image. So, problem solved (for me). Apologies for the bother.
"Will this ever work? Every day I have to go through every photo for every room that I shoot and click update... that's thousands of clicks per week."
What are the precise steps you're taking? Can you post screenshots before and after showing it not working the way you expect?
My tests of LR 10.2 show that Copy Settings and Sync Settings correctly copy the Transform Upright Mode (Auto, Guided, Level, Vertical), provided the source and destination photos don't have any prior crop angle applied via the Crop tool. Auto Sync doesn't work, regardless of whether crop angle had been applied.
Precise steps:
1. Select all the photos.
2. Edit the first photo in Develop.
3. Do Transform > Auto.
4. Click Sync.
5. Click Check None, then Upright Mode, then Synchronize:
I'd like to add that I'm seeing a behavior which I'm not sure has been mentioned in this thread (forgive me if I missed it).
I'm copying Crop and Transform settings from one Raw file and pasting them on a file that is an HDR of that same Raw file and an additional Raw file. The values for horizontal an vertical adjusted get "switched" and inverted. See screenshots.
Copy:
These are the transform values that I copy:
This is what is pasted:
These images are all shot on tripod in near automatic fashion, so the image content varies mainly in exposure.
Sounds like there are some other users with issues with copying/pasting transforms but this specific problem is related to HDR images and easy to recreate:
Make an HDR image within Lightroom from multiple exposures. Apply a transform to that HDR image. When copying that transform from the HDR image to one of the original single exposure images the Vertical and Horizontal values get switched and reversed. Example - if you put +5 in the Horizontal setting on the HDR image and copy that transform to one of the orginal (non-HDR) images the +5 setting turns into a -5 setting on the Vertical setting. Very strange behavior.. suprised if this has not been reported before but I see no reference to it. Has been an issue for several years.
Your problem isn't related to HDR per se -- it's another instance of a general problem that has always existed in LR, copying develop settings between photos with different internal orientations. While Adobe has fixed some of the specific instances, many are still not fixed and likely never will be:
Over the years, Adobe has given conflicting answers as to whether it considers this issue a bug or "as designed".
Likely in your example, the original exposures were in portrait mode out of the camera. Those photos are represented internally as a landscape array of pixels with an orientation tag of 90- or 270-degree rotation. The DNG produced by Photo Merge > HDR is represented internally as a portrait array of pixels with an orientation tag of 0 degrees rotation. LR continues to get horribly confused when copying various settings between photos that have different internal orientation tags.
The problem is easy to reproduce:
1. Take a landscape JPEG straight from the camera.
2. Do Photo > Rotate Right.
3. Export the photo as a JPEG and import it into the catalog.
4. Select both photos and do Photo > Rotate Left. The original photo has internal orientation "AB" and the exported photo "DA", but they appear visually identical.
5. On the original photo, set Transform > Vertical to +50.
6. Select both photos, with the original most-selected. Do Sync Settings with just Manual Transform selected. Observe that the two photos now look different, and that Transform > Vertical of the second photo is 0 and Transform > Horizontal is +50.
7. Reset both photos, and repeat steps 5 - 6 for Horizontal, Aspect, X Offset, and Y Offset. For each setting, the two images will look different.
There's also a similar bug with Rotate -- it doesn't copy correctly to mirrored orientations, e.g. from "AB" to "BA".
Sync Settings used to copy Transform > Vertical and Horizontal correctly. But I suspect in some version after LR 11.3, the Camera Raw team changed the internal API for copying settings, and LR wasn't changed accordingly.
My Copy Settings plugin used to copy the Manual Transforms correctly, but I think that same change in Camera Raw broke it. I will release version 1.25 in a day or so that again copies Manual Transforms correctly.
My Copy Settings plugin correctly copies Manual Transforms. (I must have been hallucinating when I tested it yesterday.)
Did you test this on vertical images? It is absolutly still an issue. On vertical images only. If you only apply manual changes works fine. The problem is when you apply a transform change in the slider bar. It reverses the values between images. It's a bug with vertical images and has been for many years now.
@Patrick330189072io7, "Did you test this on vertical images? It is absolutly still an issue. On vertical images only. If you only apply manual changes works fine. The problem is when you apply a transform change in the slider bar. It reverses the values between images. It's a bug with vertical images and has been for many years now."
If you're replying to me, I agree that's still an issue. I posted the original report in this thread and retested it most recently four days ago:
But note that the issue is not caused by portrait orientation per se, but rather by the source and destination photos having different internal orientation tags. For example, a portrait photo taken by a camera will typically be represented by a landscape array of pixels with an orientation tag of 90 or 270 degrees. But if you edit that photo in Photoshop and save it as a TIFF, the TIFF will be represented as a portrait array of pixels with an orientation tag of 0 degrees. It's the mismatch of orientation tag that confuses LR copying many develop settings, not just Transform.
A workaround is to use the Copy Settings plugin rather than the built-in Sync/Copy commands.
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