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P: White Balance - As Shot added as a History step automatically when using Embedded Previews

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June 14, 2021
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Strange behaviour in the latest release of LR Classic 13.3 (Win). I've imported a shoot and used the embedded previews as I always do.

As I move through the filmstrip in develop every time I click on an image that still has the embedded preview icon showing LR is adding a new White Balance - As Shot to the history for the image. If I undo this step so the history is empty switch to another image and then back again LR doesn't add the WB setting again.

It seems it only happens to images using the embedded preview the first time they are opened in Develop.

It's very annoying as I can no longer use the unedited filter to see if there's any images in my final selection that haven't been edited.

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ShootingPixelsAndyAuthor

Inspiring

It seems that images using the Embedded/Sidecar preview even without any edits at all will show a change when switched to before view. If an image is opened in Develop has no edits whatsoever how can it possibly be showing a difference between before and after?!?

Tested on Windows 11, all drivers up-to-date with a .CR3 from a Canon R6mkII

Patrick Maes

Participating Frequently

All photo's that receive the "White Balance: As Shot" history step when importing display wrong (different white balance) in the before view. No editing was done and the "White Balance: As Shot" step added by LrC on import did not change the white balance. The temp and tint never changes in the develop pannel.
All settings, including white balance and the profile (Adobe Color), are the same when you click on the Import step in the History) or if you click on the "White Balance: As Shot" history step. If I reset the develop settings (this is now the 3rd step in the History) nothing changes as expected but the before view has different colors (different WB) compared to the resetted photo.

And very strange: 2 photo's from the same camera, shot one after the other: one has the problem, the other one is OK (has one step in the history and the view after importing is the same as the before view).

Patrick Maes

Participating Frequently

I just did the same test on my Mac Studio M2 Max (macOS 14.5): created a new catalog and imported 145 raw files ("Embedded & Sidecar", no presets applied and there are no xmp sidecar files): 102 photo's have the "White Balance: As Shot" history step, 43 not.

Patrick Maes

Participating Frequently

I'm on Mac (macOS 14.5) - Macbook Pro 16 inch, M1 Pro, 32 GB

Ian Lyons

Community Expert

@johnrellis

I've moved the thread to the Bugs forum.

Note that I cannot reproduce on Mac. Therefore, issue may be Windows only.

johnrellis

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I also observe the spurious "White Balance: As Shot" history step added to the History of newly imported photos. To reproduce on LR 13.3 / Mac OS:

1. Download and unzip this catalog and open it in LR 13.3:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/239yaya1g9lu2cc8n9oxy/white-balance-bug-13-3.2024.06.03.zip?rlkey=q5ez1ckx3thp335ru8wo61xhk&dl=0

2. Set Preferences > Presets > Raw Defaults > Global to Camera Settings.

3. In the Folders panel, expand the folder "white-balance-bug-13-3", right-click the subfolder "photos", and do Synchronize Folder, with Show Import Dialog Before Importing checked and the other options unchecked.

4. Set Import > File Handling > Build Previews to Embedded & Sidecar and do Import.

5. Open the first photo in Develop and observe a spurious (incorrect) "White Balance: As Shot" in History:

6. In the filmstrip, click on each of the other three photos in turn and observe the same spurious History step.

7. Repeat steps 1 - 6 in LR 13.2 using this catalog, which has the same photos:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/yf1qswnbhml1o7957x958/white-balance-bug-13.2024.06.03.zip?rlkey=22ov8coavhnriyb7dwm6lcjkc&dl=0

8. Observe that no spurious "White Balance: As Shot" is added to the History for the photos.

The bug also usually occurs in LR 13.3 with Raw Defaults > Global set to Adobe Defaults, though it was intermittent in my configuration, suggesting a race condition.

johnrellis

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@Rikk Flohr: Photography, @Rick Spaulding -, please consider moving to Bugs. See my previous reply for a precise bug recipe demonstrating the bug.

manolism14953567

Participant

Hello there,

I am facing a problem here and I don't know if is a bug or something changed to my Lr and I don't know how to fix it. So, when I import files and I am in Develop mode, when I click an image, after 2 seconds it shows down to the righ corner of image "Photo has Develop adjustments" and the thing is at the image has no edit. I mean I have not done any edit, just a click to image.

Any ideas?

Thank you

GoldingD

Legend

Please shae a pair of screenshots

1. The develop panel, with an image selects that is having this issue, The entire screen, make sure the History Panel is visible, make sure the Histogram is visible, make sure the filmstrip is visible.

2. /preferences/presets/

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Matías378135811aej

Participant

Hola! Tengo un problema. Cuando estoy en Revelar, por editar una fotografía, solo con hacerle clic, para verla, me marca (la foto tiene ajustes de revelado). Lo cual, después cuando quiero exportar las fotografías que edité, me las marca con ajustes de revelado a las que NO EDITE (pero si le hice clic).
No se lo que es que me esta como editando la foto al hacerle solo un clic, si es la corrección de lente automática o que será?

GoldingD

Legend

Moderator

Appears to be repeatable
Appears to be new behavior
Is not desired behavior
Has a workaround
Just showed up with new LrC version
Does not show up in "What is New" (linked below as REF 1) documentation as a new feature (or am I wrong?)
Yes, it is more of an annoyance then a work stopping issue, but still wrong

also

Do not confuse what occurs by design, by default in the Basic Panel, with what is occurring in the History panel.
The "As Shot" in the Basic Panel is not the issue
The A"s Shot" in the History Panel as a History State is the issue.
And appears to meet (REF2) as a bug

So, why is this not a bug?

REF 1: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/whats-new.html

REF 2: https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-do-i-post-in-discussions-or-bugs/idi-p/13691887

Patrick Maes

Participating Frequently

Same problem here. Import with "Embedded & Sidecar" and no presets applied generates a history step "White Balance: As Shot". I've tried this with an existing catalog and a new one. No difference. This did not happen before LrC 13.3.

When upgrading v 13 catalogs to 13.3 I get "Multiple Settings" at the top in the history of some photos. This probably has nothing to do with this and is a for a different topic.

GoldingD

Legend

[moved from bugs to discussions according to the community rules - Mod.]

Ok, a question for members that have used "embedded and sidecar" profiles, in the past, prior to LrC v13.3

Is this the normal behavior? Is this as designed?

I do not use embedded previews, so I have no first hand knowledge of that.

Point is to argue or not argue that this is a bug, not a as designed behaviour.

ShootingPixelsAndyAuthor

Inspiring

It's new behaviour in 13.3 and is very easy for anyone to check - just import a few images into a new catalog and test.

I originally submitted my post as a bug but it was moved to discussion for some unknown reason. The idea of trying to get somewhere with Adobe support leaves me cold. The first time I reported a bug it took 3 years to be fixed. The second was acknowledged as a bug almost a year ago. The support process is geared entirely around the assumption that anything not working is user error. The last bug I reported it took 3 months of calls before I finally spoke to someone who a) knew what they were talking about and b) escalated it to the right people. It got to the point where I even tried to purchase a business support plan, I couldn't.

johnrellis

Legend

@ShootingPixelsAndy: "The idea of trying to get somewhere with Adobe support leaves me cold. "

Adobe Support is hit or miss, more miss than hit for anything that's not the most mundane, scripted issue. The most reliable method of submitting a bug report is right here in the forum. Bug reports are moved to Discussions until an Adobe employee verifies that it is reproducible, at which point they submit an internal bug report linked to the public one here and move the report into the Bugs section. This ensures the Bug section contains verified and acknowledged bugs only (a good thing).

Bug reports are more likely to be verified quicker if you submit a precise step-by-step bug recipe with sample files, as I've done above. This makes it much easier for the responsible Adobe employee to reproduce the problem. (Without sample files and catalogs, often the employee can't reproduce the issue due to some unknown difference in photos and catalogs used for testing.)

Once a bug has been verified by Adobe, generally they go radio silent until/if it is fixed. Sometimes an engineer will come back to ask clarifying questions. They rarely indicate when it might be fixed, but once a new release comes out fixing it, they'll post here updating the status.

See here for further information about the Bug process:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-do-i-post-in-discussions-or-bugs/idi-p/13691887

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/how-do-i-write-a-bug-report/idi-p/12386373

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