Camera Raw edits through Bridge are not showing

[Blasty]

Hello,

I prefer to edit my raw images in Camera Raw through Adobe Bridge because it's SO much faster than Lightroom. However, I love Lightroom for its cataloging features and overall viewing of images. 

So first I edit in Adobe Camera Raw, then I import the images into my Lightroom catalog.

The problem is that when I import raw images into Lightroom, it does not keep any of my raw edits. 

I've tried both .dng and .cr3 files, along with embedding the xmp in the dng file and also as a sidecar item. According to this article, all I need to do is ensure that the .xmp files are in the same folder when importing into lightroom. Unfortnately that doesnt work

How can I view my raw edits made in Camera Raw when importing them into Lightroom?

Thanks in advance

[JP Hess]

After you have imported a new batch of images, go to the library module and highlight all of those images. Then in the metadata menu choose the option to read metadata from file. That will force LrC to read all of the adjustments that were saved to XMP files in Camera Raw or saved to the DNG files, and those adjustments will then be visible in LrC.

[Blasty]

Somehow my replies are not showing up here, sorry is this is duplicate.

Thank you for that answer, it does work. However is there a way to have it automatically show edits in Lightroom that were done in Camera Raw through Bridge?

If I go the opposite waya nd make edits first in Lightroom, then when I view in Bridge the edits are live. I do have to set "Automatically write changes to xmp file" in catalog settings, but it works.

I simply need the other way around 🙂  Hopefully I am missing an option.

[DdeGannes]

Author of the thread stated “ all I need to do is ensure that the .xmp files are in the same folder when importing into lightroom.”  I do not think that you can view the edits before or while the import is taking place you will only see them when the building of the previews is complete. If there is XMP data available at import to LrC it will be read.

Lightroom Classic is a complete stand alone application and will read and write to the Catalog file. There is an option to select “Automatically write XMP to the file”, LrC does not automatically read from the file.

To wit LrC is an alternative to Bridge and Adobe Camera Raw plugin in Photoshop.

[dj_paige]

I think a better idea would be to figure out why Lightroom (or is it Lightroom Classic?) is slower than Bridge. Under the hoods, they both use the same ACR code, so Lightroom and Bridge should have the same speed. If we can figure this out, then you could just use one software, which would be easier and simpler.

What actions in Lightroom are slow?

[Blasty]

It's slow all around, after makind edtis eventually previews slow down, trying to select a different module takes sevral seconds, etc. Sluggish overall, not one particular thing.

Have you used Bridge before for camera raw?  Curious if this is just me, I've always though most people feel LR is slow.

[JP Hess]

That's what puzzles me. I would hands-down prefer to use LrC over Camera Raw any day.

[DdeGannes]

On reviewing the link provided by the Author I came across the following comment

“ That said, you can choose within Camera Raw whether you want to use the XMP file method or have those changes saved in a central database, but more often than not, people use the XMP file.”. 

I do not normally work with Camera Raw but I am not aware of that option. Is the writer of that article possibly referring to the Lightroom Catalog?

Anyone care to comment.

[Todd Shaner]

The Camera Raw Database option was dropped in Camera Raw version 12.3.0.493. Only XMP sidecar and embedded XMP are available now.

https://feedback-readonly.photoshop.com/conversations/camera-raw-and-dng/restore-embed-the-xmp-file-...

[Todd Shaner]

Not sure what's happening, but I saw a new post you added that has now disaapeared! Try using the large blue Reply button that's in your original post. 

[Blasty]

It happened again ... and I have used the large blue button. WTH!

[GoldingD]

posted a reply in wrong discussion, my bad, deleted. Don't mind me, I am not here.

[Blasty]

Just to make sure I'm clear, I'm not referring to the preview image in LR, I'm referring to the actual edits seen in the develop module. For exmple, if I change the white balance to daylight on a raw file, when I open it in Lightroom the white balance is still "as shot". It only updates if I right click and choose "read metadata from file". Once I do that, the white balance is set to daylight. 

I just can't help but feel there is an automatic way to do this. It seems very odd considering they both use camera raw. And it works form LR to Bridge, just not Bridge to LR.

DdeGannes said ... "If there is XMP data available at import to LrC it will be read."
This only happens if I choose to update the meta data from the file.

About the differences in program speed, I thought Lightroom was notoriously slower because it catalogs everything, creates its own database. Is that really not the case?

Lightroom starts out fine but once I start doing edits it's slow to respond. Especially when I use adjustments layers with a mask. And I only have about 75 images in this catalog, its very small. Once I start making edits to images, eventually things slow down. Selecting "Library" module will take a few seconds, trying to move to another image will be delayed a bit. Overall, it just slows down all together.

I've made sure I'm fully updated with all software. I'm running Big Sur 11.5.2 and latest Adobe software. I have 32GB of memory inside a 27" iMac with 4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7. And my lightroom catalog is on an external SSD. All my data is on external SSD drives since I have an iMac and the one drive inside is not that large.

I'd prefer to only use one application, but the speed and effeciency in using Bridge is noticeable. Lightroom has always been sluggish for me compared to Bridge. 

Any ideas?

[GoldingD]

Sat here watching the thread, sure enough the authors latest reply went missing. My erroneous replay did not.

As an assist, While watching, I kept a copy in my clipboard, As an assist, the info below is pasted:

From author

Just to make sure I'm clear, I'm not referring to the preview image in LR, I'm referring to the actual edits seen in the develop module. For exmple, if I change the white balance to daylight on a raw file, when I open it in Lightroom the white balance is still "as shot". It only updates if I right click and choose "read metadata from file". Once I do that, the white balance is set to daylight. 
I just can't help but feel there is an automatic way to do this. It seems very odd considering they both use camera raw. And it works form LR to Bridge, just not Bridge to LR.
DdeGannes said ... "If there is XMP data available at import to LrC it will be read."
This only happens if I choose to update the meta data from the file.
About the differences in program speed, I thought Lightroom was notoriously slower because it catalogs everything, creates its own database. Is that really not the case?
Lightroom starts out fine but once I start doing edits it's slow to respond. Especially when I use adjustments layers with a mask. And I only have about 75 images in this catalog, its very small. Once I start making edits to images, eventually things slow down. Selecting "Library" module will take a few seconds, trying to move to another image will be delayed a bit. Overall, it just slows down all together.
I've made sure I'm fully updated with all software. I'm running Big Sur 11.5.2 and latest Adobe software. I have 32GB of memory inside a 27" iMac with 4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7. And my lightroom catalog is on an external SSD. All my data is on external SSD drives since I have an iMac and the one drive inside is not that large.
I'd prefer to only use one application, but the speed and effeciency in using Bridge is noticeable. Lightroom has always been sluggish for me compared to Bridge. 
Any ideas?

[GoldingD]

Administrator

Can you assist the author in the issue of postings, authors reply's in authors discussion, going missing every 5 minutes.

Literally watched it happen

[GoldingD]

You might want to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKHhV390W4A

interesting, brings up some ideas to requst in LrC, more preferences.

[DdeGannes]

At Todd, thanks for that info, just keeping myself informed.

[GoldingD]

This link, might discuss your issue:

https://lightroomkillertips.com/adobe-bridge-for-lightroom-classic-people/

[GoldingD]

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I love Adobe Bridge ... my only complaint is it doenst catalog like LR. Navigating through a images, even images in the same folder, is far faster than LR. 
 
I'm starting to think LR isnt working up to speed for me as others, because to me Bridge is literally 2x faster. LR is incredibly slow.

You are literally the first Bridge user that has provided a great reason for using Bridge in your workflow.

At least, the first to properly explain it as such.

[Blasty]

Do you feel Bridge is faster at than LR for navigating images and doing camera raw edits?  Thats really the only reason why I use Bridge over LR. 

I love LR's cataloging, but can't stand how it slows up one me. And that's only with a small catalog. Bridge just seems better at handing previews and navigation.

I wish it wasnt' like that, I'd prefer to use LR 100%.

(thanks for helping me with posts, I've contacted a moderator to see whats going on. A new post I made got instantly marked as spam and wont show in the thread list. I assume everything I post is being marked as spam somehow, causing this disappearing issue.)

[DdeGannes]

@GoldingD, that's an interesting article. It does indicate that the best option is make a choice LrC and ignore Bridge / ACR which is what I did when I adopted Lightroom when it was released in 2007. Since that time I do not use ACR and avoid dealing with the complexity of managing XMP sidecar files.

At the time Lightroom was released there was a significant number of Photoshop users that were not interested in adopting Lightroom in favor of ACR and I believe this has persisted to the present time.

[GoldingD]

Oh, I have never considered using Bridge at all, nor using ACR outside of LrC. But, for those very involved edits with lots of local adjustments, especially on 4K and beyond, it may make sense.

On a side subject, was not aware of the many preference settings in ACR, many should be in LrC. Will have to explore adding a Request fir Changes, Idea. in LrC fir more preference settings.

Researching the OP's problem has shown some interesting items.

[Todd Shaner · Accepted solution]

Concerning the LrC performance try resetting LrC Preferences file as outlined in the below article.

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/how-do-i-reset-lightrooms-preferences/

If the performance issues remain go to Edit Preferences Performance, set 'Use Graphics Processor to Off, and Close and Relaunch LrC. See if that helps. If not try changing your display profile as outlined at the below article.

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/how-do-i-change-my-monitor-profile-to-check-whether-its-corrupted/

There are more LrC performance tips in the below article that might be helpful.

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/optimize-performance-lightroom.html

Concerning the Camera Raw edits not appearing in LrC try resetting the Camera Raw Prefernces file. Open Bridge, hold down the CTRL/CMD key and go to Edit> Camera Raw Preferences. At the prompt select Yes. Try editing another image file and then import it into LrC. Do the settings now appear inside LrC?

[Blasty]

Alright here's an update. Thank you to everyone who has given advice, technically the first issue I had is resolved from @Todd Shaner's reply. 

After I cleared my preference files advised by Todd, LR started showing me an icon on images that indicates the raw data has been edited outside of LR and an option to udpate it. I think that's the best I can get, no matter waht you have to manually choose to update the metadata so it displays your edits in ACR from Bridge. It's disappointing becauseusing it the other way around (LR to Bridge), automatically shows the edits I've made to raw files. Bridge updates the preview in the filmstrip and the file when editing in ACR. LR requires you to choose to udpate it. I dont understand that behaviou that, but that's resolved now. 

I've marked it as solved, thank you! 

Since my original question has been resovled, I've created a new thread to ask about the overall performance, right here:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/lightroom-classic-is-slow-causing-me-to...

[Todd Shaner]

"It's disappointing becauseusing it the other way around (LR to Bridge), automatically shows the edits I've made to raw files."

This  only happens "automatically" if you have Edit> Catalog Settings> Metadata 'Automatically write changes into XMP' is checked. When doing your edting from Bridge in Camera Raw I recomend unchecking this setting and manually use 'Save Metdata to File' (CTRL/CMD S) AFTER applying edits in LrC. Also I suggest unchecking that setting and restart LrC since it can cause performance issues. Try that and see if it helps speed things up.