P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

Posted by:

[uli16B8]

The remove function didn't come to an end. It's not possible, to remove anything without the KI - remove, KI is not marked. It's very unsatisfactory, can not work with this version.

[jasonmarkharris]

i have just updated to the latest LR and everytime i go back to a photo it asked me to update masks, and ai mask. 

[Grace Thompson]

the generative remove feels like it's slower after the update and it keeps having errors saying to check your internet connection but my internet connection is fine I've been in the same place. Also, my editor sends me edited photos and I have to go through and press update on all of them and some of them just don't update or it takes so long its shorter for me to go through and re edit them myself. Also none of the masks that she did are showing up. 

[Michael37030880xp0m]

I just got update, v 14.0.1.  Remove still does not work.  Using Lr and Ps ( CameraRaw ) works fine.

[John R Ellis]

@Michael37030880xp0m: "I just got update, v 14.0.1.  Remove still does not work. "

Please provide more details about "does not work" -- what steps are you taking, what do you observe. Full-resolution screenshots (not phone pics) often clarify.  Most problems people are encountering are easily addressed, but there are still some bugs, so more details will help you and Adobe.

[Grace Thompson]

before the update I used to be able to select a lot of spots and it would work perfectly now its saying generatvie remove failed when I try and select more than one spot to remove 

[John R Ellis]

@Grace Thompson: "its saying generatvie remove failed when I try and select more than one spot to remove"

Please post a full-resolution screenshot (not a phone pic) of the full error message.

[Grace Thompson]

Okay here is a picture of what it looks like on my screen I never used to have a problem with it before the update and nothing with my internet has changed but this comes up every 3 or 4th time I remove something now. 

[John R Ellis]

Sometimes firewalls and anti-malware / anti-virus utilities incorrectly block some network requests from LR. Try these troubleshooting steps:

- Temporarily disable all the firewall / anti-malware on your computer. If that solves the problem, then add a specific exclusion for LR to the firewall's rules.

- Connect to another network, preferably one serviced by a different ISP. E.g. a Wifi connection of a neighbor, a coffee shop, work, or your phone's hotspot. Sometimes the routers in these networks block LR's requests, especially in authoritarian countries like China.

[Michael37030880xp0m]

I followed created a new catalog and that seems to fix the problem.  Now need to figure out how to move files from old catalog to a new one, but that is something what I need to work on going forward.

[MartiniMedic]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!  The AI Generative Remove feature in the recent update is a Godsend.  The accuracy is significantly improved and, as expected, AI seems to be coming into it's own.  So glad that you are continually working on improvements such as this.  It really does improve our daily workflow. Thank you!!!!!

[Bruce-Wayne]

You signed up to post a single message contrary to everyone else's experience reported on this thread? Paid bot much?

[Terry1066]

The new remove has been working great, but as others have reported, when going into LRc the next day, the changes have gone back to the original.  HOWEVER, if you look at the erase icon, it will have a red dot under it.  Also a message "Some remove settings need to be upddated", with an "Update All" button.  This will replace your changes.  Not sure how long the changes will last.

This is a BUG that NEEDS TO BE FIXED!

[John R Ellis]

@Terry1066: "when going into LRc the next day, the changes have gone back to the original. "

Adobe just released LR 14.0.1 to fix this bug:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-subject-mask-from-previous-versions-are-requ...

If updating to 14.0.1 doesn't fix the issue, you may have to re-upgrade your catalog from the LR 13 version (see second reply from Adobe employee Rikk Flohr at the top of that thread).

If you're still having problems, please add details of what you're observing and what you've tried (not just "same!") to that thread, including the full output from the menu command Help > System Info.

[Ana Victoria_Lozano7659]

Con la nueva versión Al abrir los catalogos anteriores,  desaparece todas las partes generadas con la opcion de remover con AI 

urge asistencia inmediata para ver qué tengo que hacer para evitar perder todo el trabajo que ya había realizado en catalogos previos a la actualizacion 

[John R Ellis]

@Ana Victoria_Lozano7659: "When opening the previous catalogs, all the parts generated with the option to remove with AI disappear"

Adobe just released LR 14.0.1 to fix this bug:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-subject-mask-from-previous-versions-are-requ...

If updating to 14.0.1 doesn't fix the issue, you may have to re-upgrade your catalog from the LR 13 version (see second reply from Adobe employee Rikk Flohr at the top of that thread).

If you're still having problems, please add details of what you're observing and what you've tried (not just "same!") to that thread, including the full output from the menu command Help > System Info.

[Michael37030880xp0m]

After re-importing catalog and making sure `opacity` was set to 100% I got good results.

[Sukudhew3479648237xu]

When using the remove tool in Lightroom Classic with the Generative AI feature turned on, why does it insist on replacing people and animals we want to remove with other often monstrously distorted people and images. Why can't "Remove" mean remove what is highlighted?

[John R Ellis]

@Sukudhew3479648237xu: "why does it insist on replacing people and animals we want to remove with other often monstrously distorted people and images."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[pavelk39392526]

Tried using this today to remove a string of lights on a portrait and while one iteration removed most of the lights a grey line was left behind ... so not sucessfull 

I did try making the selection larger but it still left a grey line in 20% of the delection 

[C.Cella]

When it comes to Generative Remove usually you will have no other choice then to generate anew.

Check the screenshots:



At this point Gen Remove failed, 3 version 0% usability.

I need to rety.




Ah ah, second attempt, variation 5 overall worked.



6 version but overall only 1 works.
1 in 6 success rate.

Same image in Photoshop BUT with instructions when I type as instructions "Cat Fur"

3 versions 1 works
1 in 3 success rate...no need to iterate though version to see which works unlike LrC since thumbnails help.

All it takes for Camera Raw to be more successful at removing is to add instruction..BUT that would open the door to also generating content on our images.

That option is BTW one click away from you:  Edit in > Adobe Photoshop:

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[John R Ellis]

@pavelk39392526: "I did try making the selection larger but it still left a grey line in 20% of the delection"

There might be an easy-to-remedy cause of this:

- If you've applied Remove on top of an AI mask, do Settings > Update AI Settings. That usually helps, but sometimes people have had to delete the AI mask, do Remove, then redo the AI mask.

- You may have the Opacity slider set less than 100. LR sometimes changes the slider during an upgrade and the new LR 14 Remove UI hides the slider, making it easy to miss that it's not 100.

- If the string of lights extends to the edge of the photo, you might have to disable any cropping commands (Crop, Transform, Lens Correction) so Remove doesn't try to match the cropped-out pixels.

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Jermaine23052171on8g]

I feel like this update made the process worse.

[Tincanpuller]

Removed objects. But when I moved image to Photoshop those areas are now shaded.

[paulao65014850]

"intelligent" -- I don't think so....as someone else said it just leaves a Ghost of the object, does not get rid of it.  Perhaps you released the software too soon.  (Yes - fowllowed the Lightroom Queens suggestions, still no luck.)  As is,it useless. (BTW- it happens every time I tried to use AND yes I am updated with your newest release.)