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Rikk Flohr_Photography
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August 13, 2024
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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.
Camera Raw feedback can be found here.
 
Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 
 
Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 
 
We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 
 
Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 
 
Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 
  • App version
  • System details
  • Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!
 
Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

 

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Participant
October 25, 2024

Wow, remove and replaced worked pretty good until today's update.  Now I get ghosting or a complete replace with a similar object.  Almost useless at this point.

johnrellis
Legend
October 25, 2024

@Photos by Bre: "Now I get ghosting or a complete replace with a similar object."

 

1. The red dot under the Masking button indicates you've applied Remove on top of an AI mask, which can cause ghosting. Do the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings, or apply Remove before masking.

 

2. The replaced section of the white pole in your screenshot indicates you had Mode: Remove selected with Detect Objects checked.  Detect Objects doesn't do well at detecting long lines and poles -- uncheck Detect Objects and try it again.

 

If this doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

 

 

 

Participant
October 24, 2024

Im trying to remove powerlines and it's replacing it with more powerlines? What the f!!!!! Sincerely - a tired wedding photographer

johnrellis
Legend
October 25, 2024

@LivPhoto: "I'm trying to remove powerlines and it's replacing it with more powerlines?"

 

See this previous post and my two replies:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14932909#M383666

 

If that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

Participant
October 24, 2024

Far too often, rather than simply removing the offending object, the remove tool simply substitutes another offending object.  This seems at odds with the purpose of a remove tool.

 

johnrellis
Legend
October 25, 2024

@Wilbur16B8: "Far too often, rather than simply removing the offending object, the remove tool simply substitutes another offending object."

 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

Inspiring
October 24, 2024

I have a dual monitor set up. When I select an object to remove on my main screen, it shows up in red off-centre by about a centimeter. Can't use this feature right now in the latest version of Lightroom Classic on Windows.

johnrellis
Legend
October 25, 2024

@quinet2000: "I have a dual monitor set up. When I select an object to remove on my main screen, it shows up in red off-centre by about a centimeter."

 

Please submit a bug report about this:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/how-do-i-write-a-bug-report/idi-p/12386373 

 

which will make it more likely Adobe will set it and respond. Be sure to include screenshots (or better, a full-resolution screen recordings) and copy/paste the entire output from the menu command Help > System Info.

Participant
October 24, 2024

Is there a way to select the mask to be used with Generative Remove the same way you select normal masks? For example detecting people, parts of people, subject, sky.

johnrellis
Legend
October 24, 2024

@johngregoryfcb: "Is there a way to select the mask to be used with Generative Remove the same way you select normal masks? For example detecting people, parts of people, subject, sky."

 

No. You could submit a feature request here:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic/ct-p/ct-lightroom-classic?page=1&sort=latest_replies&filter=all&tabid=ideas

Known Participant
October 24, 2024

Since Generative Remove does not work well LR CLassic 14.0.1 I tried to use Heal and Clone. But that too leaves a trace of what I am trying to remove.

DhandaNot
C.Cella
Inspiring
October 24, 2024

@DhandaNot your screenshot shows you need to Update Ai Settings for Masking i.e. Red Dot under Masking panel icon.

 

If you have a Sky Mask apllied it might be the cause of the smudges.

 

Consider also there is a bug when trying to clone/heal a Sky affected by ANY type of Masks.

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C.Cella
Inspiring
October 24, 2024

All the tips and tricks to use Gen Remove should be available in LrC, via the help section or via an icon in the Remove Panel.

 

We have now a new revamped "What's New" secrion and we could have a similar section dedicated to "How To Use Gen Remove" with explanations, images, videos, gifs, etc...

 

So many users would NOT have problems if only this "manual" was made available within LrC.

 

 

Praise must go to @johnrellis which seemingly all alone is sharing the good knowledge on the forums.

 

Perhaps John we should create a "Gen Remove Guide" Plug-in 😉

 

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Known Participant
October 24, 2024

I am on latest version of Lightroom Classic 14.0.1 and the Generative Remove does not work at all. It is so frustrating. Earlier it was working fine.

DhandaNot
Participant
October 24, 2024

useless, way b ehind other apps

Participating Frequently
October 24, 2024

The AI remove tool in LR Classic is insanely useless. 
It is so bad that I don't even want to risk wasting time to try it. 
It seems to work in about 10% of cases but almost always it replaces the object it's supposed to remove, with a similar object. 
Want to remove a straight street lantern from an image? Here's a weird looking street lantern in a different style

johnrellis
Legend
October 24, 2024

@Patrick22616748c1sx: "almost always it replaces the object it's supposed to remove, with a similar object. Want to remove a straight street lantern from an image? Here's a weird looking street lantern in a different style"

 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

Participating Frequently
October 25, 2024

Thanks for trying, but this article isn't helpful at all. 
It's basically saying "make the selection bigger" which I already did. 

I've been working with photoshop for 20 years now, using LR heavily for my job of 3 years and I love how I rarely need to open Photoshop in order to get the desired look/edit. 
I have experience in selections, masking, removing objects and everything, I have never complained about a specific tool before, so I think it's fair to say that when a lot of people, including me, say it doesn't work as it's supposed to, you have people that are experienced with the way they use tools within Adobe software. 

I've tried several times with all kinds of different images and issues and I am not going to touch the tool again until I see 80-90% of the people saying it's working now. 
It's often amazing to see what the various remove tools in PS are capable of but at the same time really frustrating and surprising to see how bad the LR equivalent works. 

Participant
October 24, 2024

In the latest update in Lightroom Classic on Generative Remove Tool, it just refuses to remove faces. As alternates it keeps giving new faces and no option to just remove face and provide clean background as an alternate. This is so frustrating

johnrellis
Legend
October 24, 2024

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@Jasminder Singh_Obero8336: "In the latest update in Lightroom Classic on Generative Remove Tool, it just refuses to remove faces. As alternates it keeps giving new faces"

 

Your screenshot shows there are two causes, both related to the general principle that you have to select all of the object you want to replace -- if you leave any bits remaining, Remove will try to match the remaining parts:

 

 

1. You didn't select all of the person's arm.

 

2. You have to select all the disconnected pieces of a person. Your screenshot is ambiguous, but it looks like you tried to include the lower body of the person. The screenshot doesn't show if you selected every bit of that person.

 

There's also a UI design misfeature that Adobe hasn't acknowledged as such. Though Adobe tells you to select all of the disconnected parts of the object, if you make disconnected selections, Remove will treat them separately when it goes to remove, and you're likely to get "replace" instread of "remove".  So you need to apply an obscure trick (described in more detail here).

 

First select all of the bits of the person with a single selection (making sure Detect Objects is unchecked):

 

Then before clicking Remove, use Subtract to delete the parts of the selection you don't want removed:

 

Then click Remove:

 

It's too bad that Remove still has such rough edges. Once you learn about its quirks, it does a very good job, quickly.

 

If you're still having trouble with this photo, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail.

 

 

 

C.Cella
Inspiring
October 24, 2024

@Jasminder Singh_Obero8336

Can you share the photo of the woman in your example ?

I need to verify one thing.

 

 

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