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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

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August 13, 2024
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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size.

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now.

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed.

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots.

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post:

App version
System details
Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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roberth62521040

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Updated my programs today. Applied changes and remove objects from my conference photos today. applied adaptive portrait changes. Looked at them again and the changes were deleted and that I needed to update them again. Waste of time because I have to have the photos loaded ASAP!

johnrellis

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@roberth62521040: "Applied changes and remove objects from my conference photos today. applied adaptive portrait changes. Looked at them again and the changes were deleted and that I needed to update them again."

To verify, are you seeing red dots next to "Basic", under the Remove tool icon, or both?

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roberth62521040

Inspiring

Both - lrc. Sometime one or the other, other times both. Reapply, close
and the changes are gone.

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funny_MeadowB82D

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Generative Remove is often incredible, truly. Sometimes it fails miserably, with more complex indoor scenes. Removed some people and objects from photos of a motocross event and it was amazing. Tried to do that with photos of a basketball game, results were mixed, and required extensive manual refinements. My main gripe is how it interprets the initial selection of object to be removed. It highlights the object, but adds a huge buffer of selection around the object. So big that it MUST be reduced manually for the Generative Remove to do its best job. I would like to see the AI behind this tool identify the objects I select more cleanly and require little to no manual adjustments to the selection before clicking remove. My phone can do this! I know it will likely work much better, but please get more teams on this! Great tool to be sure!!

johnrellis

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@funny_MeadowB82D: "My main gripe is how it interprets the initial selection of object to be removed. It highlights the object, but adds a huge buffer of selection around the object. So big that it MUST be reduced manually for the Generative Remove to do its best job."

I find it more productive simply to keep Detect Objects unchecked. As you've observed, it too often works poorly, and it fails completely with skinny objects (poles and lines) and with objects near the edges of the photo.

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CristaLee

Participant

I’ve encountered significant issues with the removal tool in Lightroom. Despite using the latest hardware (M4 chip), the tool failed to remove any of the selected elements. This has been extremely frustrating, especially given the expectations for performance on this setup. It is Feb 13th 2025. Brutal Adobe

johnrellis

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@CristaLee: "the tool failed to remove any of the selected elements."

After clicking Remove, make sure the Opacity slider is 100. A likely bug in LR sometimes sets it to 0.

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CristaLee

Participant

Ok! Thank you John! I must be doing something wrong with it. All the YouTube videos that I have seen the tool worked so well. I will look for the opacity, it could be something as such that is making the tool not function for me.

tobiasschorr

Participating Frequently

Hello!
I have been working with Lightroom for the last 20 years, but what is going on now, is not anymore great! If I work on a collection after a journey, I have to rely, that my settings of changes are saved in an xml or similar file inside Lightroom, so I can work on the collection even after a break and can export all photos as tiff ore anything else. This time Lightroom failed completely! It forgot the settings! So the photos I exported, were losing the chages I made with AI, the lost the correctures of dust spots and perspective corrections. So I have to do all the job from beginning! It means, that something is going wrong with the memory inside Lightroom. May be you should test AI more before giving us the updates! We have to rely on Adobe to give us a product, that is reliable all the time! I hate β-software!

johnrellis

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@tobiasschorr: "It forgot the settings! "

LR lost the bit masks computed from your Remove and masking brush strokes, as indicated by the red dots:

But it didn't remove the brush strokes themselves. Selecting all the photos in Library and doing Photo > Develop Settings > Update AI Settings will recompute the bit masks, as your screenshot shows it is doing:

A bug with similar symptoms was fixed in LR 14.0.1. Do the menu command Help > System Info to see if you're on the latest version (14.1.1), and if not, do Help > Updates.

If this doesn't please, please start a new thread describing your symptoms in detail, and include the full output from Help > System Info.

tobiasschorr

Participating Frequently

I was working on about 1200 photos (slides) and I used some correctures with AI. Today I tried to export the collection, but the most work I did with AI is lost. It asks me to "actualize" the AI work I did. So lots of hours for nothing! The exported files have all the dust, scratches, cables, etc. I removed with AI. That is VERY disappointing! If I can not rely on this AI, why should I use it?

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Gerard38305403cjab

Participating Frequently

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johnrellis

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@Gerard38305403cjab: "NOT REMEMBERED AT ALL AS SAID BEFORE"

If you're referring to the issue where LR is forcing you to recompute masks when you came back to a photo by doing Settings > Update AI Settings, that bug was fixed in LR 14.0.1. Do the menu command Help > System Info to see if you're on the latest version (14.1.1), and if not, do Help > Updates.

If this doesn't please, please start a new thread describing your symptoms in detail, and include the full output from Help > System Info.

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Dale329366679r4b

Participant

This new AI sucks. Give me back the old version!

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phfsly

Inspiring

Hi Rikk,
When will we get an acceptable resolution for generative remove ?
This is only good today for small print or Instagram, but absolutely not for big size printing.
Best regards,
Sofil78

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ZappaJul

Participating Frequently

LrC v14.1.1 - Generative AI feedback

H/W: Mac M3 Max, 64GB, 1TB SSD

O/S: Sequoia v15.1.1

I find generative Ai helpful in instances where it interprets ‘Remove’ to mean ‘take away [outlined object] and replace with background’. However, it often doesn't do this, instead, adding unnecessary information that wasn’t requested, in both LrC and PS. Examples specific to LrC:

Image (1), sorry can't share: a box with clearly defined edges, with a cable hanging out to one side (which I want to keep), and the leg of my tripod (which I want to remove) on an otherwise empty cork floor. After straightening the image and centering the subject, there's also a slice of white down one side with no data. Wish LrC’s generative AI could -
- Fill white space by continuing the cork pattern so I don't have to edit in PS.
- Remove the tripod leg, replacing it with the cork background that surrounds it - without adding a bit of random cable or a weird dark shadow of a different kind some distance from original tripod leg.
Image (2) is a coat hanging on a wood door, with distracting patches of sunlight. Wish LrC Gen AI could remove selected patch of sunlight, taking account of surrounding materials and restoring the visible wood grain beneath it, but without -
- Adding a new wood grain this of a totally different nature to the original.
- Adding new sun spots; I'd like Remove to remove them, not provide new versions of the same thing. (The results did gradually improve with 3 attempts (ie 9 versions), but it always retained a sun spot of some sort).

A better result was obtained manually via radial masks intersected with colour and luminance masks.

johnrellis

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Without seeing full-resolution unmodified JPEGs exported from the originals, it's impossible to conclude whether Generative Remove is unable to do what you want it to. With the cropped screenshot from your second original, Generative Remove did a good job of removing the bright spot (and all the lettering):

This suggests that you weren't selecting all the relevant parts of the image that Generative Remove was trying to match with its replacement. So before concluding that Remove can't handle this, please attach a full-resolution unmodified JPEG exported from the original. With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Yvou73

Participant

I cannot modify opacity in the remove menu any longer (IA or not). Cursor has disappeared. This functionality had been existing in previous versions. Very ennoying, for instance I want to lower (but not remove) spots on a face (the person knows he has spots, removing is not acceptable, so I just want to make it more acceptable...)

johnrellis

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@Yvou73: "I cannot modify opacity in the remove menu any longer (IA or not). Cursor has disappeared."

Do you see the Opacity slider after clicking Remove? In LR 14, the slider appears only after you click Remove:

If you're seeing the slider but you're unable to move it,

try resetting LR's preferences:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/articles-page/how-do-i-reset-lightrooms-preferences/

LR sometimes soils its preferences file, and resetting it can fix all sorts of wonky behavior. That article explains how to restore the old preferences if resetting doesn't help.

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Yvou73

Participant

Good! Yes, now the slider appears only after clicking on the picture. Strange new behaviour, but OK for the future. Thank you so much for your answer

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