P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[johnrellis]

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This is a great working example. The car is casting a shadow that extends down to the bottom edge, and when you don't select the shadow too, Remove generates a replacement that tries to match the remaining shadow.  Using the screenshot with the generated car, here's what happens when you don't select the shadow:

When you include the shadow, the first variant has replaced the car with matching buildings, wall, yellow curb, and street and even generated a reflection for the pole:

[C.Cella]

@johnrellis but with instructions users could paint smaller holes AND have results.

Instructions help a lot.

Also this is another example of why having tips would help.

I used Object Detect and the tool very basically expanded the "real selection" by about 500 pixels...the tool didn't search for other meaningful/connected areas that should have been included in the selectio for the optimal result.

I did what any new user would have done using the tool the first time: I trusted the tool.

There was no indication whatsoever that the area auto selected was not enough.

Not tips or tricks to help.

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[johnrellis]

"There was no indication whatsoever that the area auto selected was not enough. Not tips or tricks to help."

Agreed. Object Detect isn't smart enough to know about shadows and reflections but the actual removal is. That difference causes lots of problems for users.

[johnrellis]

@efficient_dancer5CC7: " instead of removing a car, it propose te replace by another car ! When I try to generate again, it still propose another car to replace !! "

See this article for more information on how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[GavinGreenwalt]

I tried out the new option for remove objects. And it took out half of the subjects face. No worries, I turned it off again. 

But now it is stuck on no matter what option the toggle switch is set to.  

[Joshyi3]

It looks like the AI tool is mistakenly flagging my request to remove the dog leash from the photo as a ‘prompt violation.’ I’m not sure why it’s reading this simple photo edit as a rule-breaking request—it’s just a standard edit in pet photography, nothing harmful or inappropriate.

[Patrick22616748c1sx]

Now I'm waiting for someone to tell you to include the shadow and expand the selection you're making in order to fix this lol

[johnrellis]

@Patrick22616748c1sx:  "I'm waiting for someone to tell you to include the shadow"

Obviously not applicable here. But I did just point out a shadow issue a few hours ago:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

[johnrellis]

@Joshyi3: "the AI tool is mistakenly flagging my request to remove the dog leash from the photo as a ‘prompt violation.’ "

Could you please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so Adobe and others can see the particular problem? There were a few reports in the beta ("early access") thread about Remove incorrectly flagging a photo as violating the Adobe Firefly "guidelines".  

The AI platforms are paranoid about being accused of hosting and generating "harmful" and "unsafe" content, for both marketing and legal reasons. I think they deliberately err on the side of false positives rather than false negatives.  I see the same issue with Google's Gemini AI service -- out of a catalog of 40K photos, it incorrectly blocked access to about 300 photos as being "harmful", even though they were innocent pics of children and animals.

[h�ctor_5348]

Buenos días. Si bien la eliminación con IA resulta útil, en algunos casos funciona de maravillas, por ejemplo, con personas u objetos (bicicleta, estatuas), que se vean pequeños en relación al encuadre de la fotografía, pero en el caso de un automóvil en primer plano, se dificulta, ya que cambia de forma el objeto o sencillamente lo reemplaza por otro objeto similar. Un pequeño dolor de cabeza. Sé que es dificil aplicar este tipo de filtros, pero sería deseable su ajuste más fino. Muchas Gracias.

[johnrellis]

@h�ctor_5348: "in the case of a car in the foreground, it is difficult, as it changes the shape of the object or simply replaces it with another similar object."

Make sure you select all of the car and any reflections or shadows of the car. See here for an example of what happens when you don't select shadows and reflections:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic... 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Steven26932733m37i]

It would be nice to have select subject, background etc. in the remove. Thanks.

[Sergio Novelli]

Sério!? Essa PORCARIA não remove nada no LR, pelo contrário, só substitui objetos indesejados na cena por outro ainda pior. Não consigo entender por que no PS funciona bem e no LR não. Chamar isso de BOSTA é um elogio.

[neilh55354168]

Sometimes this is great.

Often it just substitutes a smaller version of the object or something with similar color. My favorite is when I mask something like a spotlight and it removes the wires and fixture but I have a bright circle, the bulb, left. I've also had it change the color of people's pants in the edit zone.

[DZRhino]

Doesn't seem to work like I expect.  Tried removing limb from river scene and it replaced it with a bigger limb.  I tried again on a smaller part of the limb and it left kind of a gray hole instead. 

[cathyb81757029]

I must be doing something wrong because I get absolutley no change when I try to use this function. The only change is a possible darkening of the area that I highlighted.

[johnrellis]

@Sergio Novelli, @neilh55354168, @DZRhino, @cathyb81757029:

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[smyleseh]

Generative AI just replaced the car. Lol. Something fancier would have been appreciated.

[johnrellis]

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@smyleseh: "Generative AI just replaced the car."

Your second screenshot shows that you didn't select the entire car (including the disconnected bits).

When you select the entire car (with or without Detect Objects), Remove does a good job of removing it. Here's the selection, followed by the first and third variants:

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

[AndreapennA Photography]

It is so painful to use that I've decided to roll back to v.13.5
It doesn't detect the object, the brush size doesn't reflect my choice.
Don't ask us to test it for you, the release date imposed by the MAX has caused a few incredible issues already...

[Tobias28833591mb33]

Seit dem letzten Update funktioniert das KI Entfernen Tool nicht mehr, wenn ich zuvor etwas in einer Maske Bearbeitet habe. Z.B. habe ich den Himmel Optimiert und will jetzt noch einen Teil von Meinem Blitz Reflektor ausschneiden. Da nimmt dann das Entfernen Tool der KI einen Ausschnitt vom unbearbeitetn himmel und setzt eine komplette Linie. Das geht GAR NICHT und muss sofort behoben werden.

[johnrellis]

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@Tobias28833591mb33: "Since the last update, the AI ​​removal tool no longer works if I have previously edited something in a mask. For example, I have optimized the sky and now want to cut out part of my flash reflector."

     

This is not new to LR 14 -- LR 13 behaved the same way. These ghosts appear when you apply Remove on top of an AI mask. To fix the ghost, recompute the AI mask by doing the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings.

LR warns you that you need to update the mask by putting a red dot under the Masking button and, when you select the mask, showing a warning message and the Update button:

[jimbessette]

WHAT HAPPENED???!??!!!   A month or so ago this was working suberbly for me.  Now, it doesn't remove anything.  I try to remove a simple line in a photo and all it does is replace the line in almost exactly the same place.  A month or so ago, I removed all kinds of telephone wires from a photo with excellent results.  Now this is USELESS to me!  Put it back the way it was a month ago, PLEASE!

[AndreapennA Photography]

And now just wait for the support team to tell you to read the "article" on how to use it.
Like they broken it and try to put the blame on you!
I reverted back to the 13.5 - OMG what a shamble of release!

[jimbessette]

How does one revert back?

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Jim Bessette
jimbessette@gmail.com