P: Local Adjustment (Masking) Sliders are affecting entire image

[bianc]

Hello, i can't seem to make the new masking tool to work correct.

When i make an adjusment, by brush, auto select or any other tool the mask shows up in my image, red by default, and when i make a change in the Basic-panel, the adjustments will be applied over the whole image and not just the masked part.
Is this a bug or am i doing something nog correct?
Help please... 🙂

[Rob_Cullen]

See the forum thread at-

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-local-adjustment-masking-sliders-are-...

1) Global adjustments- means you are using the 'Basic' panel adjustments. Scroll up the panels and Check the Disclosure triangles in the Brush panel to reveal all the sliders if necessary..

2) Done button may be hidden if the Tool bar is not visible. Keyboard [T] to toggle visible.

[harold9675]

YES!
Both suggestions were right on!!
Back in business!!
Will blame "fat thumbs"!!;)
Thanks!!

[beauh36409411]

After I select subject in Lightroom Classic any adjustments I try to do affect the whole image vs the selection.  I have all of the current updates downloaded. I have included  A screen shot of the selection I made using the tool with the Green overlay and then I have added a screen shot after I made an adjustment. You will notice with the second screenshot that all of the adjustmenst i made affected the whole image versus the selection.

[Jim Wilde]

The sliders you are moving are the Basic Panel sliders, which do indeed affect the whole image. But you need to be using the Masking sliders, which you currently are not seeing because you have them collapsed and thus hidden from view. At the right-hand side of the "Effects" line at the top of the Select Subject panel you will see a left-facing arrow, click on that and it will change to a downward pointing arrow and all the Masking Panel sliders will be revealed. Use those to adjust only the masked area.

[Rob_Cullen]

Those pesky 'Disclosure triangles'!!

Actually there are two you might see when doing local adjustments with the masking panel-

One for the "Effect"  sliders panel, and one for the specific Brush Settings (size, feather).

Collapsing the 'Effect' panel makes users very prone to adjusting the 'Basic' panel in error.

Collapsing the 'Brush' panel converts it to an 'Amount' slider that acts  to change all and any of  the 'Effect' slider adjustments that have been made. (ie. 'Amount' will collectively change intensity of a Brush stroke - including eg. Exposure + Contrast + Clarity + Saturation. + + + ...etc.)

[A J24824100p4qh]

SELECT SUBJECT CORRECTLY SELECTS SKY OR SUBJECT BUT CHANGING SLIDERS ARE OF THE ENTIRE IMAGE. WHAT DID I CLICK THAT CAUSED THIS OR IS IT A GLITCH?

jtillinghast71@gmail.com 

[Rob_Cullen]

Read the Correct Answer from Rikk Flohr!

Then read the whole thread.

[Bobby Stevens]

I am using the correct panel and still haveing the same problem as the OP. I'm wondering if it's because a duplicated and inerted mask is sitll corrected to the original somehow. It seems like a mask seletion issue to me and I don't get it.

[Bobby Stevens]

Perhaps this is because I am using multiple masks? I don't see any clear direction on this on the support page. I am simply trying to create one mask for the sky, and one mask for the rest of the image. I've tried deselecting masks and hiding them, but when I make adjustents in the MASK panel, the entire image is affected.

I've read the entire thread, this issue doesn not appear to be addressed. Let me reiterate - I am NOT using the basic adjustments panel. 

[A J24824100p4qh]

YOU MAY HAVE ACCIDENTALLY CLOSED THE SELECTION PANEL. SEE THE ARROW ON THE
SAME LINE AS EFFECT AND CUSTOM BUT ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT. CLICK THE
ARROW AND THE PANEL APPEARS.
THAT WAS MY PROBLEM.
JUD

[Bobby Stevens]

I don't see the arrow you speak of. I see the panel. Could you point it out to me in this image? 

[A J24824100p4qh]

CLICK ON THE *SELECT SUBJECT.* IT SHOULD SELECT AND SHOW UP WITH THE *RED
COLOR OVER THE SUBJECT*. IF YOU SEE A BOX THAT SAYS* AMOUNT(SLIDER)*THERE
SHOULD BE A TRIANGLE RIGHT ABOVE *0.00.* THE RT UPPER CORNER SHOULD HAVE A
LITTLE TRIANGLE. CLICK IT AND THE FULL LIST OF SLIDERS SHOULD APPEAR IN A
LARGER DROP-DOWN BOX. . IF THAT DOES NOT WORK, I AM NOT SURE WHAT YOUR
PROBLEM IS.
SORRY,
JUD

[Rob_Cullen]

@Bobby Stevens  If you are updated to v11.4 then creating an inverse mask is easy.

So this menu item gives you the two masks-

I think @A J24824100p4qh is talking about the Disclosure triangles which you will only see in the Brush Tool adjustment panel (Not in Sky or Subject).

And @A J24824100p4qh Please don't type in all capitals- It is the equivalent of shouting in the forums.

[A J24824100p4qh]

Sorry for the CAPs. If you select sky or subject the drop down slider
groups show up but if you hit the triangle, in the rt upper drop down box,
the sliders go away and the Amount slider shows up. When I had the
problem, I had somehow hit the triangle and the amount slider was there. I
just was not aware that that would happen.
Once I corrected that mistake, all the sliders worked as they were designed
to do.
Jud

[Bobby Stevens]

Thank you @Rob_Cullen , that did the trick!

[A J24824100p4qh]

THANKS, I figured it out and that was the problem. I did inadvertantly did click the effects panel.

Jud

[carib being]

Yep happened to a lot of us..Its a simple fix..1 button..see image below...it's just collapsed..click triangle..VOILA!!!

[D Michael2681279530yq]

I'm having the same issue with the overlay mask NOT automatically disappearing after an adjustment ( it will toggle off/on if I use the "O" shortcut ) ... I am using the EFFECTS panel and not the BASIC panel 

[Darl Emon28654989wpdw]

masking tool to work correct.

When i make an adjusment, by brush, auto select or any other tool the mask shows up in my image, red by default, and when i make a change in the Basic-panel, the adjustments will be applied over the whole image and not just the masked part.

Is this a bug or am i doing something nog correct?

Help please... 🙂

[dj_paige]

This has been answered earlier in the thread. Just scroll up.

[Martin29858570t6ws]

I am having the same issue. I can no longer access the mask BASIC sliders. The global BASIC features are available. 

1. I recently allowed an update.
2. I was using ADAPTIVE SKY presets including copying and inverting these masks.
3. This was working for me earlier, but now I am not able to apply BASIC adjustments within a mask.
4. I do not have the "triangle" to toggle BASIC toolbox as pointed out in previous posts.

Help, please.

[dj_paige]

Show us a screen capture of what you do see. Please use the "Insert Photos" icon to include your screen capture in your reply.

[Olivia29959646rbmi]

I get that when you use a mask you can't edit in the basic panel, but does that mean that you can't do HSL adjustments for example? I find the editing options in the mask panel to be very limited.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

[richardplondon]

There are more adjustment possibilities available in the mask panel than may be first obvious, but that will require looking beyond the exact same name or nature of adjustment that is presented globally. In any case masked adjustments can bring different selectivity than global ones will, and that is selectivity not only of which part of the photo, but also of tone and hue range(s).

Thus, for global editing a special HSL tool is needed to target a darkening and dulling of the orange hues (say). But masking can go and seek out those same orange hues, in which case all that is needed as an adjustment onto those, will be some darkening and some dulling to achieve a similar end result - except, this can be further restricted to chosen parts of the image rather than globally.

Thus, a bit of lateral thinking sometimes needed - or naive exploration! I think of this as a mindset of: what can we do with it; not, what can it do for us!

[Rob_Cullen]

@Olivia29959646rbmi  As explained by @richardplondon  Luminance, Hue , and Saturation, are all available with a selection (Mask) made.

They just look different to the one HSL panel for Global adjustments.

Note that the HUE sliders in Masking can completely change a color eg. Red > Blue. This is something the HSL panel cannot do as HSL-Hue only shifts the existing hue tone slightly to adjacent colors. ie. you cannot change Red > Blue  in HSL panel. 

So color in masking is more powerful than global HSL.