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Really looking forward to the pro removal - very interesting question.
I took one look at the image and thoroughly saw your point as I couldn't see how the AI could recognise the shadow as a thing to remove. Having said that I'm surprised by the result of an unpolished first 30 second hack...
It's a Generative AI Object aware remove with a bit of subtraction over the patch of sun on her left hip. There's certainly some movement in the hand and you lose the henna and bracelet etc so there is a good image but not the same image. I wonder if this is a case for "interaction" in a future development - being able to tell the AI that the selected area is a shadow so to change/remove that but preserve the underlying structure
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I observe similar results. I looked at about 15 variants, and several looked pretty good:
@lloyd_pdx, if you make a similar Object Aware selection, do you get similar results? Which precise model of Nikon is this from? (Your export excluded the metadata.) The model could matter...
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I suppose with reference to your original question this may not, currently, be the best way of removing the shadow from a specific subject if that subject is complex and must not be changed. I think it is doing an amazingly good job of replacing the area with a shadow on it with a different, closely matching, generated area without a shadow on it which is presumably exactly as it should function
I used to remove this sort of thing from less complex areas by spending far too long masking and adjusting which is much easier/less difficult with the new masking options (and may well belong in a different discussion with people who are much better at it than me - apologies to the mods)
The below is very much unfinished - the shadowed skin tone/abdomen shadow transition are a nightmare and would take ages so I haven't really tried and the transition on right upper leg isn't properly blended yet - but you can do things like select the shadow as a luminence range mask, adjust it to isolate the area you want to work on, intersect it with the subject, lighten it, warm it up etc etc until it matches and then you can use some healing (or Generative AI with precautions re it sampling the original image) on transitions but it preserves the original jeans/pose and hands/henna/bracelet if you can manage the skin tones and abdomen transition!
The Generative AI fix is much much (much) faster and better if preserving the specific details isn't critical
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I'll experiment further when I'm next able to on Monday. Camera is a Nikon D850 - curious how the camera model can affect the result. Sensor differences I suppose.
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"Camera is a Nikon D850"
This is likely the cause of some of your issues when editing the NEF (as opposed to JPEG you posted), due to a Remove bug.
Many cameras have sensors a little bigger than a standard aspect ratio, and the Camera Raw engine silently crops them to a standard ratio. The Nikon D850's sensor is 8288 x 5520 (w/h ~ 1.50145), which Camera Raw silently crops to 8256 x 5504 (w/h = 1.5). That is, Camera Raw is cropping out 16 pixels on the left and right and 8 pixels on the top and bottom. The LR user never sees those pixels.
But a bug in Remove is looking at ALL the pixels, including those cropped-out border pixels. When you select the shadow on the model's legs, the cropped-out border pixels at the bottom of her legs could be still unselected, and then Remove will generate a replacement that tries to match them.
I've simulated with the JPEG by cropping another 16 pixels from the bottom, selecting the shadow, and applying Remove:
Because the bottom row of 16 pixels is left unselected, and they are in shadow, Remove generates a replacement shadow that matches them.
We don't see that problem with the JPEG, since it doesn't have any such hidden cropped-out pixels.
The workaround is to make the selection brush big and then select along the bottom border, which usually selects those hidden pixels. See here for more details on how to do that:
During the Remove beta ("early access"), Adobe isn't accepting formal bug reports, and all the feedback is lumped into this giant thread. So we don't know if they have acknowledged this as a bug -- let's hope so. LR 14 is due out in a month.
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Very thorough and helpful explanation! Thank you. I'll experiment with this info in mind.
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lloyd_pdx - and here is my version of a very short and first atempt. I masked a little outside the shadow, as you can see when comparing tis and the original. Also notice that legs position are different from other results. I only checked the box "Generative AI"
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Yay! It's actually working better now! I was finding it was doing a really poor job (compared with the original versions). I was able to remove a harness from a dog and it was perfect!
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Het is een verwijder tool NIET een VERVANG door ander OBJECT tool
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@Gerard38305403cjab: "It is a remove tool NOT a REPLACE with another OBJECT tool"
See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.
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Muy mala la eliminación generativa, siendo de Adobe deberian de usar el mismo mecanismo que tiene Photoshop para eliminar, en Lightroom solo reconoce la eliminación de la selección como en un 30% o 40%
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@YorVip: "The generative elimination is very bad. ... In Lightroom, it only recognizes the elimination of the selection at about 30% or 40%."
See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.
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@YorVip, your attachment didn't make it -- the forum discards email attachments. You need to come back to your post in a web browser and attach it using the "browse files to attach" button at the bottom of the post window.
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Das generative Entfernen hat vor dem letzten Update sehr gut funktioniert. Seitdem ich die Version 13.5.1 installiert habe, hängt sich Lightroom bei der Analyse ständig auf und reagiert nicht mehr.
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@myriam_5042: "Since I installed version 13.5.1, Lightroom keeps crashing during analysis and stops responding."
Do you see a crash-report dialog asking you to submit the crash report to Adobe? Did you enter the email address associated with your Creative Cloud account?
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I can see there are lot of complaints regarding this new feature in Lightroom and other photography programs. Let me enlighten all the authors and fellow users term AI is a good marketing slogan and all round the world all falling for it. I thing the correct name should be informed guesswork, then title is not catchy. What does the AI removal tools do in photography?. The photo we have only two dimensional and it hasn't got layers like you create in Photoshop. All this tool does it, with an area it tries is guess what the user want it to do and also examine the adjacent area and come up few option to choose from. They are all guess. The tool doesn't know what is really behind the highlighted area same as anyone looking at the photo for the first time. In most cases the the photographer may know exactly what id behind when he took the photo.
So don't be disappointed if it didn't get it right even if you have followed all the instructions. This tool is also learn as more and more people use it as it begin to guess better and will get closer to what most people's requests. It is certainly better than none. Don't keep critizing every time it didn't understand your request.
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Excuse my few typo.
Thanks
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I've had wonderful results with matching fills for color and content in LrC -- until -- I look closer and see that my content is in very sharp focus but the GF is out of focus considerably--beyond "soft" and basically unuseable. As a photographer, I appreciate that I should have got the right shot in the first place but I couldn't hang out over the cliff to clear the branches LOL. I will be doing some lengthy, careful cloning. 😉
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There have been a number of complaints here about lower-resolution replacements. The maximum size of a replacement patch is 2048 x 20248 pixels:
So trying to replace large areas will produce noticeably soft results.
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Thanks for the info. Upon checking the png, it did exceed your 2048 x 2048 limitation. Indeed, small spots did not appear to change the resolution.
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