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The recommended order for applying edits is:
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@Frankie36, please post a full-resolution screenshot (no a phone pic) of the entire LR window, so we can see what you're seeing and get the issue straightened out.
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EU ESTOU AMANDO, ERA O QUE FALTAVA NO LR
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a clear yellow line not removed
other pictures the same with clear objects
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@Gerard38305403cjab: "a clear yellow line not removed, other pictures the same with clear objects"
See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach the original photo here (not an export) so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. If the forum won't let you attach it, upload it to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here.
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I find the generative remove in Lightroom Classic very helpful, but the replacement resolution is much too low and the replacements, at 100%, often reveal a vicious halo around the edges. Sometimes there is stippling or what may be a grid patter in the repair area also. I am confident in time these issues will be resolved........
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@corneliusr7095, please attach here full-resolution JPEG exports of the original photos and the results of applying Remove showing these different issues. That will provide Adobe with actual examples of what's going wrong.
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This is dissappointing - not nearly as good or effective as the AI tools in Photoshop. Still better to Edit in Photoshop (edit a copy) to remove distractions, generate extra space etc first, then go back into LR and do all your other edits etc there. You keep a copy of the original as well, in case it all goes wrong!
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@Top Cat2000: "This is dissappointing - not nearly as good or effective as the AI tools in Photoshop."
Could you please post an example or two of the original photo and the results of LR Remove and Photoshop Remove? Most of the reports here of Photoshop doing better are addressed in this article:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
It would be helpful to know in detail which issues you're facing with LR Remove.
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A difficult image to edit, so ignore the underexposed ship. In the LR edit, there is a ghost image where the wind turbine has been removed - this took about 4 attempts to get a reasonable result. The cars were fairly well removed in LR (2 attempts), and the figure by the bollard was more successfully removed, (1st attempt) as was the smaller mast in the distance. I then used the Generative fill in PS to compare, and the replacements were all better than the LR ones.
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@Top Cat2000, the ghost outline of the wind turbine is caused by doing Remove (any kind of remove) on top of the an AI mask (e.g. Sky). The original mask didn't include the turbine, so when you removed it, its pixels were replaced by the original unedited sky. You can either do Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the mask, or apply Remove first then the mask (which is what Adobe recommends, though that doesn't match the natural workflow of many people).
As for removing the person next to the bollard, I didn't see any qualitative difference between LR and PS.
The cars, however were tedious for me to get an acceptable replacement with both LR Remove and PS Generative Fill. Lots of just-OK variations but nothing very good. Here is the best I did with LR after many tries (PS was different but no better):
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Thanks johnrellis. Yes , I have had that ghosting issue before, I should have done things in the proper order! (As you say, not always the most intuitive way of working). I sort of assumed the AI was intelligent enough to see through this, as it is amazing how it does recreate scenes. You certainly got the car park flat, which I didn't achieve!
PS always offers 3 alternatives which is handy as the first is not always the best, but LR does not appear to do this. It all goes to show theres nothing like the craft of making a good image in the first place like we used to in the days of film!
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@Top Cat2000: "PS always offers 3 alternatives"
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LR Remove also offers 3 variations each time you click Refresh, though you have to click the left- and right-arrow buttons to see them in turn:
I like that PS shows you all three at the same time, and as you click Generate to see more, it shows all the variations you've generated:
With LR, I find myself making a Snapshot for each variation that looks promising, and then hovering the mouse over the list of snapshots to quickly compare the best variations. It's clumsier but gets the job done.
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AMAZING!!!!! I love what it has done for some of my images... it can be funny though! I'm adding 3 images... the first original with a '360° camera' in the shot, the second (unrefined) capture to remove it and the third, a much better defined selection to remove but still an unsubmittable image. The AI did very well in my opinion, and I hope your further development of it will be even more pleasing. Bravo!
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It replaced my reflection in a mirror with the reflection of some weird guy with red face...scary and weird!
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@AlexMastellone: "It replaced my reflection in a mirror with the reflection of some weird guy with red face"
See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach the original photo here (not an export) so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. If the forum won't let you attach it, upload it to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here.
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So far so good
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I'm running into some issues with LrC's Develop module not always displaying/rendering changes to Gen AI Remove settings, e.g. opacity. This seems to only crop up when modifying some overlapping gen AI remove areas. The changes are properly reflected in LrC Library previews after a few moments, and everywhere in Cloud products (LrD/LrM/LrW) once synced. The changes are also properly reflected in exports of the image from LrC.
The only semi-fix I have found is quitting and reopening LrC—that will get Develop to properly display opacity as defined. However, it also requests a reupdate of AI settings at that point, which recomputes/alters some of the Gen AI in the image. You can then choose the previous history step before "update AI settings." That gets you back to the Gen AI versions you had, at the opacity you actually specified, without any AI errors. But, you're then back to the same original issue, as further opacity changes will again not render in Develop.
I realize overlapping Gen AI Remove areas is probably not an intended usage. I'm using the overlaps because I'm getting some interesting abstract artistic results. Which I realize also isn't an intended usage. But stiill: LrC Develop should render settings properly, as everything else does—and as LrC will export.
In LrC, I have tried saving metadata to file, and tweaking other develop settings. Nothing other than quitting and re-opening seems to force LrC to reevaluate the opacity on some of these areas in Develop.
Unfortunately for troubleshooting, the issue is inconsistent on different areas in different snapshots of the same image. If relevant, most/all of the removal areas were probably applied in LrD or LrM. I've created various snapshots in LrC from versions synced down from the cloud; some of them have issues, some of them don't.
Broadly, my fix has been to just work with any artsy overlapping Gen AI Removal in LrD or LrM. If I create snapshots in LrC, I'm safe editing things other than the Gen AI Remove areas.
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Primary image I'm having trouble with is an HEIC, HDR editing enabled. Full file lives in the cloud, not just a smart preview. There are usually no requests to update AI settings other than when quitting and reopening LrC as described above.
macOS 14.5 on MBP 2020 13" M1 with LrC v13.4 and LrD v7.4.1
iOS v17.5.1 on iPhone 12 with LrM v9.3.1
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@umlautnord, the behavior you describe does sound like Remove is not operating as intended by the developers (i.e. a true bug under Adobe's definitions). I suggest you submit a separate bug report following these guidelines:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/how-do-i-write-a-bug-report/idi-p/12386373
Include the sample photo you're using, a written step-by-step and a full-resolution screen recording (not a phone video) showing the detailed steps you took:
https://www.descript.com/blog/article/how-to-screen-record-on-windows
https://support.apple.com/en-us/102618
If the files are too big to attach to your post, you'll have to upload them to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and include the sharing link.
I understand this is a lot of work. But having worked with Adobe for many years, I know they're much less likely to pay much attention unless they can immediately reproduce the problem (unless many, many people report it).
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Oof, yes. I will try to pull this together. As I said, it doesn't always happen, but, since you think it sounds like a true bug I'll work on it. Thanks for flagging/the encouragement, @johnrellis .
(Is there a way to share the image file itself with Adobe folks without making it public?)
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@umlautnord: "Is there a way to share the image file itself with Adobe folks without making it public?"
You could write in your bug report that they should ask you privately for a link. But that could make it a little less likely they'll look at it carefully. Better if you have a test image you could share publicly.
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Thanks!
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Here's a complete post on this behavior written in a bug report style, so that it's directly linked in this thread: https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/generative-ai-removal-areas-only-updati...
h/t @johnrellis for the encouragement
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The Generative Ai Tool on Lightroom is definitely better than the Heal/Clone tool but its still further off the remove tool in Photoshop. The remove tool on photoshop works well 85% of the time. Remove tool on Lightroom is a 50/50, I hope I could have better result in Lightroom for removing simple stuff without creating another tiff file in photoshop.
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It would be helpful if you could give specific example of the issue you're having with LrC AI Generative Remove
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