Sony A1 II raw images were being imported as “Embedded and Side car”.

[Barry36212844cdld]

I recently noticed that ARW files imported to Lightroom Classic 14.2 from my new Sony A1 ii are not displaying blues correctly and are also looking very washed out. In both library and develop modes the bottom thumbnail scroll is displaying the colors correctly until I select a photo to develop. At that point both the main image and the thumbnail shift towards a very green hue. This isn't happening on any images I'm importing from my A7RV. It is very noticeable on blue sky images. Once the image has been deselected for a few moments, the thumbnail reverts to the correct color. 

I dont believe it's the camera causing the issue, as my settings have been double checked and mirror those of the A7RV. Furthermore, this is a new issue. 

I've also used the DNG converter and am having the same issue with all DNG's from the A1 ii

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Barry

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[johnrellis]

"At that point both the main image and the thumbnail shift towards a very green hue. ... Once the image has been deselected for a few moments, the thumbnail reverts to the correct color."

As a first troubleshooting step, upload a couple of raws that have that problem to Wetransfer, Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar free service and post the sharing link here. We can see if the issue occurs on other LR installations or is specific to yours.

[Barry36212844cdld]

I will do that next time I’m at my computer. Thanks.

[dj_paige]

I recently noticed that ARW files imported to Lightroom Classic 14.2 from my new Sony A1 ii are not displaying blues correctly and are also looking very washed out

By @Barry36212844cdld

Does this happen in the Library Module or the Develop Module? If it happens in the Library module only, please try this: https://www.lightroomqueen.com/how-do-i-change-my-monitor-profile-to-check-whether-its-corrupted/

[Barry36212844cdld]

It happens only in the Develop module. I’ve also toggled between multiple screens to rule that out. It seems as if the white Balance and tint are off. A quick adjustment of two sliders in develop can correct it, but there should be no reason that the camera (shooting in raw only), the library module, and even the photo in develop for the first split second is fine, and then it “on its own” noticeably shifts towards green tint.

Note: I also went back to standard presets as well as uninstalling and pre-installing lightrooom Classic. No resolution whatsoever. And all images coming from my A7RV are completely normal.

I’m stumped.

[johnrellis]

@Barry36212844cdld: "It happens only in the Develop module."

That's often a sign of an incompatible or corrupted display profile, not uncommon on Windows. Did you try the quick test described in the link that dj_paige posted above?

[Barry36212844cdld · Accepted solution]

Problem solved. For some reason the raw images were being imported as “Embedded and Side car”. Changed that to “standard” and all is good.

Thank you to those who reached out to help!

[zach_2467]

I'm having this same problem, colours are washed and not accurate in Adobe standard. A1 ii. Not sure if it's because I shoot in compressed RAW? 

my previews are set to minimal, have been forever.

[johnrellis]

@zach_2467: "I'm having this same problem, colours are washed and not accurate in Adobe standard. A1 ii." 

You may or may not be having the "same" problem. The previous poster was observing that Loupe-view image in Develop had washed-out colors, and that was fixed by changing import to build Standard-sized Library previews rather than Embedded & Sidecar.  I'm very skeptical that problem was caused by the chosen previews, since Develop doesn't use Library previews at all.

Rather than assuming you have the "same" problem (whatever that was), let's start from scratch and troubleshoot your issue, describing in detail what you're seeing:

1. Attach full-resolution screenshots (not phone pics) of the entire LR window showing what you're seeing.

2. Do the LR menu command Help > System Info and copy/paste the entire contents here so we can see exactly which versions of hardware and software LR thinks you're running and important LR options that are set.

[patrikk4249813]

I'm happy to jump in to do that. See attached files (from LR CC, but the same as LR Classic).

Just in general, A1.ii colours are horrible. I hate it so much. We seem to be back to A7r.ii color science and presumably only because of the new white balance and (notably) better dynamic range. But I am honestly happily switching back to A1.i, if it's not fixed. The additional time to adjust colors is unjustifyable. I rather miss a shot than this nightmare. On the A1.i, colors were so so good, so that you would hardly even have to change anything just like Leica pictures are only getting worse by tweaking them. The A1.i colors were much better than Canon's (a first) and now we have this annoying greens problem back. The Sony ST profile looks like a vivid profile and needs so much time to fix.
I'm not even sure if Adobe's desaturated color mapping is a bug or if they simple handle it like that. Although definitely even less usable. Meanwhile 14.3 came out and it's still the same and it's also the same in Lightroom CC.

Please Adobe fix it and users, please let me know what you think.

[patrikk4249813]

edit: it's not only greens in the adobe profile. It#s basically every color except for flashy reds. blue in all shades becomes petrol, brown and yellows become monochrome or very sepia... Ironically, because if it wasn't for the reds you could somewhat fix it by pushing saturation by 25, but then reds become textmarker red. And the greens become so brown that you cannot simply push the greens, you have to tweak all three, yellow, orange and green, to correct the adobe profile greens. and then youre still with the blues...

[johnrellis]

Your screenshot indicates you're applying some Canon profile to a Sony a1 II? 

[patrikk4249813]

sorry, wrong screenshot. The 1D profile is a cobalt image profile that used to perfectly convert colors from all previous sony models. also unusable now. here's the screenshot with adobe standard profile. even worse...

[patrikk4249813]

This problem is not solved! Adobe chat asked me to file a bug, please confirm here: https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/lrd-8-3-and-lrc-14-3-color-profiles-not...

[mathieu323314395hg5]

Hello, since version lightroom 14.2 the color of the raw files on the Sony A1 II is completely degraded and that makes the edition more complicated whereas on my Sony A7 IV no problem,

on the photos I provide, the greens are completely wrong and don't correspond to reality compared to my Sony A7 IV.

I've tried lightroom version 14.1 and the Sony A1 II files are perfectly interpreted! what's been going on since february, several people have been contacting you to make a fix and on the Reddit forum several people have been alerting you to this problem and no one has done anything since version 14. 2. no problem on capture one the A7IV and Sony A1 II files match like two drops of water.

the attached photos were used with the same lens (Sony 24-70 GM II) with the same iso speed etc. I'm on Mac OS 15.5 with lightroom 14.4 on a MacBook Pro M3 MAX.

[Ian Lyons]

There's already a lengthy thread on this issue. I'll merge your post into that thread.

[mathieu323314395hg5]

Yes, but the problem hasn't been fixed - the author of this thread has found an alternative, which is to use the standard Sony profile and not the Adobe color profile. When this problem is fixed, because using the standard Sony profile is just as complicated to use, everything worked fine with Lightroom 14.1.

[johnrellis]

@mathieu323314395hg5, it looks like this thread and its companion thread in the LR Ecosystem forum are just getting bounced around with lots of "let's try this" without getting the problem formally recognized by Adobe.

If indeed the color rendering of greens using profile Adobe Color changed significantly for the worse between LR 14.1 and 14.2 for the Sony a1 II, the most effective way to get Adobe's notice is to provide a sample raw (not a screenshot) that demonstrates it. If the forum won't let you attach the files here, upload your sample a1 II and a7 IV raws to Wetransfer, Dropbox, Google Drive or similar free service and post the sharing link here.  I've got easy access to previous versions of LR and can quickly test it. Assuming the differences between 14.1 and 14.2 appear, then we can submit a formal bug report that Adobe might be more likely to acknowledge.

[mathieu323314395hg5]

Thanks, I've just tried again with another MacBook Mac OS 14 in Lightroom version 14.1 and it works but not in 14.4....

I give you a google drive link with RAW to Jpeg exports without retouching, screenshots and raw files, also blue is affected, in fact all colors are no longer good after LR 14.1.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1oo64BINq_rNvj9gsX7fGlbmIhvA2q7H9?usp=sharing

[johnrellis]

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I investigated this in some detail, also observing a significant difference between LR 14.1 and 14.2 for your sample Sony A1 II as well as for sample raws for that camera from dpreview.com. I was starting to file a bug report until I noticed this:

I think the root cause is that LR 14.1 provided "preliminary support" for the A1 II, while LR 14.2 provided "final support", according to the Camera Raw supported cameras page:

Using dcpTool, I compared the camera profiles from LR 14.1 and 14.2, (Sony ILCE-1M2 Adobe Standard.dcp), and they are indeed much different.

Thus, it's pretty clear that the change in LR 14.2 was intentional. Maybe the engineer made a mistake redoing the profile for 14.2. But I've observed over the years that Adobe rarely revisits profiles unless there's an egregious mistake.  If Adobe redid the profiling, would they come out with the same result, indicating it wasn't a mistake but rather a property of the Adobe Standard profiling?  I don't know.

Moving forward, I think you have four options:

- Continue to try to get Adobe's attention and ask they recheck the Adobe Standard profile for the A1 II. That seems lower-probability to me, having participated in this forum for 15 years, but maybe you'll make progress.

- Use the Calibrite Profiler Camera Calibration module with a $99 ColorChecker target to produce custom profiles that satisfy your taste.  See calibrite.com. 

- Use the Creative Cloud app to install LR 14.1. Copy the camera profile "Sony ILCE-1M2 Adobe Standard.dcp" and save it away. Reinstall LR 14.4 and replace its version of that file with the one you saved away. Do that for every future release (ugh). I don't know if using the 14.1 .dcp file with 14.4 will produce the same results as in 14.1 -- it may be that the Camera Raw engine changed also.

- Use the camera-matching profile Camera ST, which seems to match the camera's standard JPEG rendering pretty well (that's the intent of camera-matching profiles).  As has been mentioned before, the Sony A1 II's JPEG renderings are more saturated than LR 14.1's Adobe Color (which is true for many cameras).

Using a sample A1 II raw downloaded from dpreview.com, here's the JPEG preview embedded in the raw compared with LR 14.4 with the Camera ST profile:

The blue numbers, green jersey, green grass, and orange line marker all match pretty well, though the line marker in the LR Camera ST version is a little brighter.

[mathieu323314395hg5]

I've just come across a Reddit post that compares the profile of the Sony A1 and the Sony A1 II. Both cameras have the same sensor, and the result is clear: there is indeed a problem with the Adobe profiles of the Sony A1 II.

The problem is that this camera isn't mainstream enough yet, so there aren't many complaints, and Adobe doesn't seem to care about this problem. All my presets are based on Adobe profiles, and the Sony “Standard” profile doesn't render at all like the Adobe profiles. I'm almost tempted to sell it and pick up a Sony A1 to complement my Sony A7 IV: colors are much easier to edit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyAlpha/comments/1jrmmjo/any_a1_ii_users_experiencing_very_desaturated/?t...

[patrikk4249813]

It is the same sensor as the A1.1, but the calculations of the processor have changed. Sony says they have improved white balance and low light, but all I see is a return of the unpleasant Sony look that was gone with the A1.1. I am also considering getting a Mark 1 again as I really think that the Sony ST profile is also very difficult. The best solution may actually be to use the A1.1 profile for the A1.2. How do you do that on a Mac?

[mathieu323314395hg5]

you're a genius, I recovered on my other mac the dcp 14.1 file of the sony A1 II and it works on 14.4 as on the 14.1 I tried the photo I sent you of the green bush and there is no difference with the 14.1 version but none at all

[patrikk4249813]

Could you post the 14.1 profile here?

[mathieu323314395hg5]

Good evening everyone, I have finally found a solution for the color problem of the sony A1 II and it works as on version 14.1 or capture one without color desaturation for more realistic colors.

I downloaded version 14.1 on another mac and I retrieved in “/Applications/Adobe Lightroom Classic/Adobe LightroomClassic.app/Contents/Resources/CameraProfiles/adobestandard"

the adobe DCP profile of the SONY ILCE-1M2 and I replaced it on my version 14.4 and no more worries.

Proceed in the same way for each new version of lightroom if adobe doesn't fix the problem, so keep the dcp file in your documents to replace it if necessary.

to avoid making you install version 14.1 I've recovered the file and put it on my google drive to help you

DCP-LR14.1-SONY-A1-II