(Windows) Takes 1 Minute or more to move between images

[switchpot]

Since upgrading to Lightroom Classic 13.3, the performance has become extremely slow.

Various operations have become very slow; for example, it takes about a minute to move to the Develop module or to move between images in the Develop module.

There were no issues when using Lightroom Classic 13.2.

Is there anyone else experiencing a similar issue?

I have about 200,000 images in my catalog, so that might be one of the reasons, but since it was working fine with version 13.2, I suspect that there might be some degradation associated with upgrading to 13.3.

CPU:AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

GPU:GeForce RTX 4070 Ti

RAM:64GB

storage:2TB SSD x2 (15GB+ available for each drive)

Below is the system information:

Lightroom Classic version: 13.3 [ 202405092057-40441e28 ]

License: Creative Cloud

Language setting: en

Operating system: Windows 10 - Business Edition

Version: 10.0.19045

Application architecture: x64

System architecture: x64

Logical processor count: 24

Processor speed: 3.6GHz

SqLite Version: 3.36.0

CPU Utilisation: 5.0%

Power Source: Plugged In, 255% 

Built-in memory: 65439.1 MB

Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 6222.7MB / 12010.0MB (51%)

Real memory available to Lightroom: 65439.1 MB

Real memory used by Lightroom: 3858.8 MB (5.8%)

Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 11095.9 MB

GDI objects count: 707

USER objects count: 2408

Process handles count: 9441

Memory cache size: 458.6MB

Internal Camera Raw version: 16.3 [ 1863 ]

Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5

Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2

Camera Raw virtual memory: 1733MB / 32719MB (5%)

Camera Raw real memory: -3071MB / 65439MB (-4%)

Cache1: 

Final1- RAM:469.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, DSC04405.ARW

Final2- RAM:469.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, DSC04403.ARW

Final3- RAM:755.0MB, VRAM:4099.0MB, DSC04404.ARW

NT- RAM:1693.0MB, VRAM:4099.0MB, Combined:5792.0MB

Cache2: 

m:458.6MB, n:1407.2MB

U-main: 132.0MB

System DPI setting: 120 DPI

Desktop composition enabled: Yes

Standard Preview Size: 3840 pixels

Displays: 1) 3840x2160

Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: No, External touch: No, External pen: No, Keyboard: No

Graphics Processor Info: 

DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti (31.0.15.3203)

Init State: GPU for Export supported by default

User Preference: GPU for Export enabled

Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic

Library Path: D:\Photos\LightroomCatalogs\2019\2019-Lr13.3.lrcat

Settings Folder: C:\Users\Tetsuya\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom

Installed Plugins: 

1) DxO PhotoLab 6

2) DxO PhotoLab 6 Importer

3) HDR Efex Pro 2

Config.lua flags: 

Adapter #1: Vendor : 10de

Device : 2782

Subsystem : 51301462

Revision : a1

Video Memory : 12010

Adapter #2: Vendor : 1414

Device : 8c

Subsystem : 0

Revision : 0

Video Memory : 0

AudioDeviceIOBlockSize: 1024

AudioDeviceName: $$$/dvaaudiodevice/SystemDefaultAndEffectiveDeviceName=System Default - BenQ EW3280U (NVIDIA High Definition Audio)#{comment}DVAAU-4201250: Open the audio hardware preferences page.

AudioDeviceNumberOfChannels: 2

AudioDeviceSampleRate: 48000

Build: LR5x120

Direct2DEnabled: false

GL_ACCUM_ALPHA_BITS: 16

GL_ACCUM_BLUE_BITS: 16

GL_ACCUM_GREEN_BITS: 16

GL_ACCUM_RED_BITS: 16

GL_ALPHA_BITS: 0

GL_BLUE_BITS: 8

GL_DEPTH_BITS: 24

GL_GREEN_BITS: 8

GL_MAX_3D_TEXTURE_SIZE: 16384

GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE: 32768

GL_MAX_TEXTURE_UNITS: 4

GL_MAX_VIEWPORT_DIMS: 32768,32768

GL_RED_BITS: 8

GL_RENDERER: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti/PCIe/SSE2

GL_SHADING_LANGUAGE_VERSION: 4.60 NVIDIA

GL_STENCIL_BITS: 8

GL_VENDOR: NVIDIA Corporation

GL_VERSION: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 532.03

GPUDeviceEnabled: false

OGLEnabled: true

[shorted to relevant information and moved from bugs to discussions according to the community rules - Mod.]

[Jochem31784308peil]

I use the internal nvme card which is blazing fast. Unfortunately this didn´t fix my issue. only reverting back to 13.2 helps. I didn´t want to install 13.4 because I didn´t want to revert back again.

[Jochem31784308peil]

Hi,

I have 6GB of VRAM and still having this issue. The only thing that helped for me was reverting back to 13.2. You can do this through the creative cloud app (previous versions).

Very bad that Adobe isn´t taking this slowdown more serious. The answer from Adobe support is just not knowledgeable. 

[E. Wilson]

My computer has 64gb RAM and a beefy 24g Nvidia new GPU. For whatever is causing my issue, it's not a lack of hardware oomph. Sounds like Adobe trying to shift the blame...

[E. Wilson]

Note this thread is specific to LrC issues that began between versions 13.2 and 13.3. So is not about PS at all.

[flipper1960]

Same problem here. W11 with latest  Nvidia driver...

Terrible slow. Pleas3 fix this. V 13.2 I had no issues

Henri

[flipper1960]

I rolled back to version LR 13.2
Problems are gone now. I will wait for an update (or C1 or PL7...)

[bcdavis75-1]

How do you rollback?

[flipper1960]

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pzeg0phZZQ

I worked for me. 
Then select the 13.2 catalog (or what you want)

[FjCañero]

Esta vez no sirve. 

Llevo tratando con el servicio tecnico de Adobe varios días.

Me han vuelto loco, siguiendo las indicaciones del servicio técnico:

- He desinstalado la última actualizacion  13.3 (perdiendo el catálogo actualizado).

- He instalado la versión 13.2,

- Me han hecho realizar una limpieza con la herramienta de limpieza Creative_Cloud_Cleaner_Tool,

- Instalado la versión 13.0

- Vuelta a instalar la 13.3

No me han solucionado nada, como resultado de todo esto, el catálogo hecho trizas y mi paciencia también.

[Frank_B]

LrC 13.3 CR 16.13
Same serious performance issues here.
Simple switching from Grid view to Develope can take a couple of seconds. Making adjustments takes a while too.
All this with Cataloges Optimized, Cache space available, latest nvidia drivers installed and so on.
Interestingly enough it wasn't so slow while working on a different folder the other day. Is it because I didn't use Lens Blur or because there were 300 photos instead of 700?
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor 3.40 GHz
Installed RAM 64.0 GB
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Edition Windows 10 Pro
Version 22H2
OS build 19045.4412

I look forward to the next Lightroom Classic Beta update with the performance improved.

[henningmet]

I am experiencing the same problem. Painfully slow, especially when using masks. Together with the map search/ map module problem, I think I have to go back to the previous version. I can't wait another month for the next version, when these problems might be fixed (or not).

[walstonphoto]

By far the worst performance hit I have seen.  I was already dealing with unresolved sync issues for the previous two weeks when I was told to wait for the update which would correct those.  The update to 13.3 not only didn't correct the sync issues, but now my workflow has come to a standstill.  I think culled about 300 images last night which took more than an hour.  Every picked photo took 10-15 seconds to update and I noticed edits updating and reverting back to previous settings.  I can say with certainty this is not a video driver update issue.

[GoldingD]

Two inquirys/observations

1. Is LrC, without your telling it to do sso, just Busy Busy Busy, syncing to the Cloud? I am not a cloud sync user, so I do not have this issue. Apparently the new SYNC in v13.3 is a huge bug, As in Adobe realy blew it this time.

2. You GPU driver:

Graphics Processor Info: 
DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti (31.0.15.3203)
Init State: GPU for Export supported by default
User Preference: GPU for Export enabled

So, v532.03 , released May 18, 2023. a bit old. Ancient for LrC. At NVIDIA the current Studio driver is shown as v555.85 released May 21, 2024

[kentonw23899589]

I'm having the same issue with 13.3. 

Super slow! I've optimized and updated everything on my PC. But still Lightroom is slow. What used to take 1.5 hours now takes 4-6 hours. And it's been syncing images to the cloud for almost 4 days straight and still hasn't finished.  I also tried uninstalling LRc completely and reinstalling...But same problems. 

What's even weirder... When I check the CPU usage, I've got about 3 or 4 cores (out of 16) running. And CPU usage never goes above 20%, usually hovering around 6%. And GPU is like 1%-3%. So it's not even utilizing my PC very well. 

Adobe! Please fix this quickly. I have deadlines. I also have too many collegues pressuring me to switch to Capture One. This doesn't help. 

[Frank_B]

And we can't downgrade to the previous working version because the Lrc library file is not compatible anymore. Ugh. It's a trap!

[axel-maiden]

Have exactly the same issues! Tried everything I could find in the settings to try and fasten it up but doesn't help...

[E. Wilson]

+1 - same here. 

Windows11, high-end GPU, 64-gb ram, both O/S and Graphics drivers completely updated.

Lightroom 13.3 is probably the WORST upgrade I've had from Adobe. Since 1994. It's horribly slow and painful. (And Lightroom's slowness was already the main complaint I had coming over from ACDSee years ago.)

This is a black-eye Adobe. I work in SW; and in my teams whoever manages QA or Acceptance Testing on this project would be fired. Going back is nearly impossible and also tons of work. I hope this gets resolved as the top-priority within the SW group responsible for these products.

[jackson377794864j16]

My lightroom is doing the same thing! It's using up crazy amounts of Ram and I can't even have google chome and lightroom classic running at the same time without having to quit something. I have an M1 MacBook Air. ADOBE PLEASE FIX THIS I HAVE WORK I NEED TO COMPLETE.

[RRKing]

Since updating to 13.3 my catalog has also become unbearably slow when the version right before was not an issue.  I even after the catalog was updated ran the optimization, cleared the cache and rebuilt 1:1 previews and made sure my GPU drivers are the latest and settings optimized on my 3090.  The system resources are not being taxed either so rolling back to the last version but wanted to add my name to the list for slow performance on the latest update.

Lightroom Classic version: 13.3 [ 202405092057-40441e28 ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en
Operating system: Windows 10 - Business Edition
Version: 10.0.19045
Application architecture: x64
System architecture: x64
Logical processor count: 24
Processor speed: 3.4GHz
SqLite Version: 3.36.0
CPU Utilisation: 4.0%
Power Source: Plugged In, 255%
Built-in memory: 130845.2 MB
Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 121.6MB / 24326.0MB (0%)
Real memory available to Lightroom: 130845.2 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 1084.1 MB (0.8%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 1200.8 MB
GDI objects count: 853
USER objects count: 3176
Process handles count: 2351
Memory cache size: 715.2MB
Internal Camera Raw version: 16.3 [ 1863 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 101MB / 65422MB (0%)
Camera Raw real memory: 102MB / 130845MB (0%)

Cache1:
Final1- RAM:30.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, ECFE9A1E-C6AC-46E4-BC03-E43F0134F13D.dng
NT- RAM:30.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, Combined:30.0MB

Cache2:
m:715.2MB, n:30.0MB

U-main: 103.0MB

System DPI setting: 96 DPI
Desktop composition enabled: Yes
Standard Preview Size: 2560 pixels
Displays: 1) 2560x1440, 2) 1920x1080
Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: No, External touch: No, External pen: No, Keyboard: No

Graphics Processor Info:
DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 (32.0.15.5585)
Init State: GPU for Export supported by default
User Preference: GPU for Export enabled

[CharnHighIsoLowIQ]

having similar issues with my iMac (Intel / 40GB Ram) when trying to pick/reject images and moving images between collections. LR is very laggy & had to wait several images for it to respond. No issue with LRc 13.2. 

[Jochem31784308peil]

same here. Extremely slow and working with fully updated drivers. Had to roll back to 13.2 because is was unworkable.

[E. Wilson]

Couple follow-ups:

1. I rolled back to 13.2. (Lost a few catalog/metadata updates, but fortunately hadn't done a lot since upgrading.) So far performance seems fine as it was before the catastrophic 13.3.

2. From a few other forums & feedbacks I've seen, this could be correlated to LARGER catalog sizes. (Hint: Adobe - do real-world size/scale regression testing.)

I work in SW, and specifically in data/database related for most of my career. This could be, and is consistent with, something about their larger Catalog changes that missed some key performance aspects - like a database index or a newly non-optimal query. Tons of operations would relate to querying the catalog, and all of those seem painfully slow.

(That doesn't seem to explain all of it, but I wonder if could be related. Just in case any Adobe sw-eng folks read these.)

[kentonw23899589]

Great point. 

I'm one of those photogs that has their entire body of work in one catalog. 500k+ images.  On 13.2, my catalog file was around 12GB. When I upgraded my catalog to work with 13.3, I noticed the catalog file jumped to a little over 20GB. Something about the upgrade seems to have made the LCat file chonky. 

I have a tinfoil hat theory. Adobe is prioritizing apps for the masses instead of serious pro photographers. They created Lightroom (non-Classic) for the prosumer. This update will start a phase out of LRc for adobe. It makes sense from a business side of things. They can sell a lot more subscriptions to consumers and prosumers, so why waste time on LRc if it only gets them a small percentage of subscriptions. 

[hchandless]

I also noticed that if I optimize the catalog, it works like normal for a minute or two, THEN it becomes super slow and clunky.

[jeffreyh96105683]

I am experiencing the same performance degradation on 13.3. I didn't see those on 13.2. As described by other users above, even switching between photos can take 4-5 seconds or even longer. But sometimes it happens quickly.  I have shut down syncing to the cloud and also shut down writing of metadata to .xmp and jpg, etc. Please issue a fix to this as soon as possible. Thanks