P: Enable Zoom with Crop Tool

[defaultcqa9r4726x9k]

This may have already been suggested, but it would be nice if the zoom feature in Lightroom 4 could be enabled while using the crop tool to make refined adjustments to the crop area. At present, there is only a clumsy work-around using the secondary display for refined crop adjustments.

[JBedfordPhoto]

I work on photos at 25% viewing size because I find LRCC performs more quickly. Whether this is true or just my imagination, I've noticed that while working at this view size, initializing the crop tool, my view changes to "Fit" (the photo takes up more real estate on the screen). Once I finish cropping, my view returns to the % view I was originally working at. The switch between view sizes is sort of jarring.

I propose allowing the crop tool to function at a viewing % lower than "Fit". 

Does that make sense?

[Jérôme38315681v2nr]

Yes, it make sense...  We ask for it in 2012 and we are still waiting...

[Scott_Martin_]

Respectfully, this thread isn't about performance, it's about the need for accuracy when cropping. When one is working with 150+ megapixel files the crop tool, as is, is horribly innacurate. We need to be able to zoom in and see the entire image so that we can crop accurately.  

[richardplondon]

To be clear, cropping is dimensionless so IMO selecting particular absolute pixel zoom factors such as 1:1, might be a bad usability fit in principle. Because when we sync a given crop across two photos of different resolutions, the sync is purely of pictorial composition and has nothing to do with individual pixels. 

But one might nonetheless, without doing any violence to the underlying 'dimensionless' concept, want to magnify / reduce by a certain relative amount compared with Fit view. Say, go to 50% of Fit or to 200% of Fit. As noted already, that is a matter of achieving compositional accuracy not of achieving pixel accuracy. 

[JBedfordPhoto]

@Scott_Martin_  I posted this as a new topic but an admin merged it with this thread

[Russell Proulx]

I just updated to the latest versions of Bridge, ACR and Lightroom and continue to be disappointed that there is no native ability to zoom in on images while cropping in Lightroom whereas the zooming while cropping in ACR works perfectly. After cropping using Bridge/ACR I then need to use Read Metadata from File to update it in LrC. That has me wondering if there's a way to use ACR to perform edits (such as Cropping) while within Lightroom.

This would be a feature request to allow users to edit original images (not Virtual Copies) displayed in the Library using ACR in the same way as from within Bridge. While Lightroom's Develop Module is built on ACR the crop behaviour is nowhere near as precise (one can enlarge up to 1600% while cropping with ACR). For some workflows it might be useful to have temporary access to ACR and Read Metadata from File would be automatically applied when returning to LrC. Just a thought .... 

Or just fix the crop tool in LrC 😉

R

[C.Cella]

@Russell Proulx 

If you need to crop when zoomed then you can use the "Adjust Crop" command provided by "Any Crop" Plug-in: https://johnrellis.com/lightroom/anycrop.htm

The author is @johnrellis 

No need to journey to ACR.

[Scott_Martin_]

Agreed everyone. I have a thought - and maybe this is easier than Abode realises. You know how the magnification Loupe comes up ajacent to the cursor when using The Guided Tranform? That's what we need for cropping. A loupe option that allows us to see the whole image but also full res detail for precise crop placement. If we could mouse around with this loupe and check placement with the existing crop that would be ideal. Thanks for listening!

[Russell Proulx]

I'll have a peek again at that plugin but I seem to remember it was nowhere near as good as what ACR provides.

But we should not have to use a 3d party hack to provide something as basic as being able to view cropping at a higher magnification. If it works so well then why doesn't Adobe just pay the author for their efforts and add it to a LrC update?

Just keeping this thread alive 😉

[C.Cella]

@Russell Proulx 

ACR demands users to drag handles to cop.

Adjust Crop instead uses sliders ( a limit of the SDK that does not allow any control on the LrC UI)

This said those sliders offer many advantages.

For instance you can crop and zoom in /our and crop without having any distracting UI to deal with AND only visualising the current crop.
ACR doens't allow that.

If you think that's not good you can then spend your time to open the image in ACR just to crop.

This request has been standing for 12 years now.

@johnrellis provided a solution tha tis only limited by what the SKD allows.

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[Bob Somrak]

@Scott_Martin_ 

I agree.  The same magnifier tool that is in transform would be great. Adobe hass definately been ignoring this feature request for a LONG time.  

[abstract_Gem98BC]

Bumping this thread up. It's been almost 13 years since the thread was started, and we're still squinting when cropping.
Most phone apps zoom in to fit as you crop. This needs to be a thing in LrC!

[marvinaustin]

This company is the single player in the market for users who develop and process photos. Well, almost the single player.
I assure you - Adobe will never change anything. Knocking on the door is useless.
I read this thread. Is there no answer? -"the end".

[marvinaustin]

One at a time. Sometimes neither reset cache nor resynchronization works. Only reboot Lr.To see the result. The option is not.
The option can be forgotten and not even hope for change in 20 years. Experience working with products by Adobe.

[risottto]

Still no progress on zooming while cropping, but in the latest 14.2 update the crop tool totally broke if you were in soft proofing mode!

[Scott_Martin_]

Yes, indeed, and just a reminder that there are no Adobe employees listening here, jsut a bunch of well wishing and maybe a little disgruntled end users talking amoungst ourselves. :-] 

[johnrellis]

"there are no Adobe employees listening here"

Adobe does read most of the posts in the Bugs and Ideas sections and many if not most of the posts in the Discussions section, though they infrequently comment or act on the suggestions posted here. Adobe employee Rikk Flohr, who moderates this forum, is a member of the product team (not customer support).

[Scott_Martin_]

Beg to differ on that. No Adobe emaployees of consequence are listening or acting on these forums. To think that they are is folly. I'm an old school insider saying this...

[johnrellis]

@johnrellis: "Adobe does read most of the posts in the Bugs and Ideas sections and many if not most of the posts in the Discussions section, though they infrequently comment or act on the suggestions posted here."

@Scott_Martin_: "Beg to differ on that."

Facts are stubborn things. Here are the posts in the Lightroom Classic forum by Adobe employee Rikk Flohr, whose title is Quality Engineering – Customer Advocacy for the Photography Products:

Bugs section (854 posts, Rikk is the primary moderator of which bug reports get relayed to the product team):

https://community.adobe.com/t5/forums/searchpage/tab/message?filter=location,authorId&q=the&noSynony...

Ideas section (144 posts -- Rikk infrequently comments):

https://community.adobe.com/t5/forums/searchpage/tab/message?sort_by=-topicPostDate&filter=location,...

All sections (2199 posts, which include Bugs and Ideas -- no way to limit to just Discussions):

https://community.adobe.com/t5/forums/searchpage/tab/message?filter=location,authorId&q=the&advanced...

There are much smaller numbers of posts in Discussions and Bugs from Adobe customer-support employees.

This strongly supports my comment above.

[Scott_Martin_]

Agree to disagree then. A forum moderator is not a person of consequence that can influence product development. I've spoken with many Lightroom product managers over the years, and they have had no knowledge of topics on this forum, nor great feature suggestions. Many engineers have privately acknowledged that this forum is a place for end users to vent about problems so they can be left alone. This is a buffer zone, not a place to communicate with the developers. If it were, why aren't they listening / reacting to really good basic concepts like precision cropping? And getting into arguments like this is a waste of everyone's time...

[johnrellis]

@Scott_Martin_: "Agree to disagree then."

It looks like you're agreeing with what I wrote previously: "Adobe does read most of the posts in the Bugs and Ideas sections and many if not most of the posts in the Discussions section, though they infrequently comment or act on the suggestions posted here." What are you disagreeing with?

[ben446]

AnyCrop tip:  you need to first make a crop with the LRC crop tool. Hit enter to apply it and then use AnyCrop 'Adjust Crop' to manipulate the crop including while zoomed in.

[C.Cella]

@ben446 

Adjust Crop can be used without ever opening the Crop Panel.

The only thing AdjustCrop doens't allow is to resize opposite edges at the same time like LrC allows.
But I am confident @johnrellis will implement it.

[Gabor Lenart]

If I want pixel perfect cropping, I can't do it in Lightroom because it is only able to do crop when the photo fits the display. It is especially frustrating with very high resolution photos on a smaller laptop screen. 

I would really like the option to zoom in when cropping, just like in Photoshop.

[Ian Lyons]

@Gabor Lenart 

I've merged your request into the existing authortive thread for zoom while cropping.