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millionart I realise you are the author of Brotate from your Deviant Art ID, and the fact your only posts to this forum have been to promote Brotate. It looks interesting, but I am unable to find any information other than on the Gumroad page. There are a number of threads on Deviant Art regarding AP Assistant, but they are not conclusive — some people get on OK, and others not so much.
Is Brotate fully functional with Photoshop versions from CC2014.2 and later (when plugin support moved to HTML5)?
Is it possibly to try Brotate before committing to it?
Are there any third party reviews of Brotate that you are aware of (in English)?
Thanks.
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The brush-rotate tool is a new tool developed for Photoshop CC 2019, and I am constantly improving it.
The brush-rotate tool is an exe executable (Same as Apssistant) and is not based on the Photoshop development framework, so it is less affected by Photoshop updates, based on the principle of the program, and my development habits, it should be fully applicable to all versions of Photoshop (At least CS6 or above), but I still can't fully guarantee this.
I am a designer myself. The software I developed must be useful to me first, so I can say that it is the best solution at this time.
I don't have an effective anti-piracy mechanism, and the program is easily decompiled, so I don't want to provide a trial version (and no way to provide it).
My English is not good enough. Most of the time I need translation tools to help, maybe I can't provide complete after-sales service.
If you have concerns about the above, you can continue to wait and see.
Finally, I recommend you try Apssistant first.
Thank you.
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millionart thanks for the heads up. It sounds good to me, and if it works as advertised, it is worth the price to me. Heck, it is Christmas — we should treat ourselves.
I will just add that in recent years I invested in BrushBox and Brusherator. The former is good software, and probably still valid after Adobe updated the brush management. The latter I found not so much so, and after a period to give myself a chance to get used to it, I gave up on it wrote off the purchase price. However there are some absolute gems among among third party add-ons for Photoshop. Lazy Nezumi Pro is so far beyond stellar, I'd have paid $100 for it without a seconds thought if I'd known how useful it would prove.
Anyway, I am going to take a chance on Brotate. Thanks
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Yes, Lazy Nezumi Pro is indeed a great software.
Maybe in a few days I will put a new version, remember to update it in time.
Thank you for your purchase, Merry Christmas.
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millionart wrote
Maybe in a few days I will put a new version, remember to update it in time.
Thank you for your purchase, Merry Christmas.
I'm thinking it could do with some work.
When I ran the .exe file (as Administrator) nothing appears to happen, but this appears in Task Manager > Processes
Starting with a ribbon preset, that I made specifically to test Brotate
If I tap and release the B key, I get an immediate 4° rotation
In use, I am guessing you are somehow using Angle Jitter > Direction?
If I move the cursor down while holding down the B key, the brush angle changes perpendicular to the direction of movement.
It's difficult to say if this consistent, because I can't tell how accurate I am moving the brush.
However, the really big problem for me is that in order to rotate the brush, I have to draw an unwanted line — or am I missing something? I realise I can undo that last line with Ctrl Z, but that is not great workflow.
An even bigger problem is that I can't easily zero the rotation. Hitting the B key, as stated in the Readme file, always results in a 4° CCW rotation. What's more, this happens with _ALL_ presets even if I don't want to rotate the brush.
I select a brush preset and use it.
I hit the V key to use the Move tool, and the B key to return to the Brush tool
And what do you know, even before I use it, it has rotated to 4°
So, at the moment, I am regretting my purchase, and unless you tell me anything to improve my user experience, I would like my $10 returned.
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You don't need to draw a real line, just hold down B and move the brush in a certain direction.
The accuracy of the angle depends on the length of the brush you drag, it will calculate the angle between the two points.
In my test, there was no 4° error. Please tell me your version of Photoshop, I will try to restore this problem and try to solve it.
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You don't need to draw a real line, just hold down B and move the brush in a certain direction.
The accuracy of the angle depends on the length of the brush you drag, it will calculate the angle between the two points.
OK that's useful, and makes a big difference.
I am not sure if it is new behaviour, but When dragging the cursor with the B key depressed, but not making a stroke, the right click brush menu now flashes momentarily on screen. In fact every time I hit the B key the right click menu flashes on screen
I've tried a bunch of presets, and restarted everything, but the 4° offset issue remains. I've restarted Photoshop with the B key held down to open without third party plugins. Brotate still worked, but LNP did not load. The 4° offset is still happening.
OK the 4° offset is intermittent. If I manually zero brush rotation. Then use the Move tool and come back to the brush tool, about half the time it will stay on zero degrees for the first hit of the B key, but always goes to 4° on subsequent presses of the B key. If it is an issue with another plug-in then the start with Shift should have eliminated it. It _has_ to be able to zero the brush as a minimum requirement.
Any other ideas?
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Thank you for your feedback. Although this is beyond my plan, it has given me new ideas. I have been re-adjusting the program logic to avoid unnecessary angle adjustment steps. I will release a new version in an hour to solve the problem mentioned above.
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The right-click menu flashes to indicate that the program is running normally. This tool actually replaces the manual rotation of the brush.
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OK, thanks for the update. I'm going to stick with it, but I'll hold off until you've done some more work. Photoshop started closing the open document repeatedly since my last post. I was going to uninstall Brotate for the time being, but it does not appear in the Windows 10 Programs & Features list, so I had to End Process in Task Manager. The crashes stopped right after doing that, and while I can't those things are related, it's years since I last had Photoshop crash on me.
I expect there'll be an advice email from Gumroad when you put out a new version? Meanwhile, I think I'll branch this part of the thread, with the Subject Brotate — Brush Rotation Add-On.
BTW There are now more than ten million people with Creative Cloud subscriptions, and nearly all of those have Photoshop, so it's worth putting in the hard tucker to make it right. Guillaume Stordeur of Lazy Nezumi, never stops working on LNP, and has made an incredible tool, and I believe the BrushBox team (Derrick Barth and his partner, whose name I can't remember) are nearly as keen.
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This tool can click on the tray icon in the lower right corner and select Exit from the menu to close the program.
This tool is just a quick simulation of the mouse operation, and does not have any memory injection behavior for Photoshop, so it is impossible to affect the stability of Photoshop.
I have updated version 1.1 because I first used Gumroad, I am not sure if I sent a notification email and how to send it, so I would like to remind you.
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Trevor.Dennis & millionart How is the new version compared to the previous version, is the 4 degree issue removed among other things ?
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There was no reminder email, but the new version is showing.
I'm still getting the 4° offset when I tap the B key.
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I've been using it for a while now (the time stamp on my last post shows an edit, and not when I first put the post up).
In the case of my home made ribbon preset, the offset is not crucial, but there will be times when I absolutely need to reliably return it to 0°. It has also been intermittent with a tap of the B key sometimes returning 90°, but I'm wondering if it thought there was some cursor movement?
Sometimes I lose the preset cursor. I initially thought I'd hit Caps Lock, but that was not on. It does not turn into a point cursor, but rather a do and two very short straight lines. I'll grab a screen shot if it happens again. No crashes so far.
Jack, why don't you drop an email to Guillaume Stordeur at Lazy Nezumi and ask his advice about any coding issues you are having? This is his field of expertise, and he is possibly the world leader in this field. He is a super nice person, and I have a feeling he would respond positively to a request for advice.
I'm also thinking that if you expect people to pay US$10 for Brotate, you need to tart it up a bit. You at least need to give it and installing UI so people know something is happening. Remember... 10,000,000 people have Photoshop CC, plus all the old versions and the buggers who have ripped it off. I guess once the latter crowd get hold of it, it'll be on The Pirate Bay five minutes later, so some more work to do there.
[EDIT] The Task Bar tray icon is a welcome addition
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For $10.00 for piece of software that seems rusty, it is a bit high; he could; for those that request it, give it to them for nothing, get their opinion and fix it up; then, and only then, re-introduce it with a fee.
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For $10.00 for piece of software that seems rusty, it is a bit high; he could; for those that request it, give it to them for nothing, get their opinion and fix it up; then, and only then, re-introduce it with a fee.
I agree. It is absolutely not ready for paid release. Several of this forum's regulars are beta testers for Noel's Star Filter Pro 4, and got for free for helping him iron out any issues. That is orders of magnitude better than Brotate, but not orders of magnitude more expensive. Look at Lazy Nezumi Pro for instance. $35 for one of the very best Photoshop plug-ins on the planet!
With so little information available on Brotate, anyone searching is going to find this thread for sure, and it is not a great advertisement for it.
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Hopefully the author realizes this and is working on fixing any problems and open to beta testers.
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First of all, I have never encountered a 4° offset problem, so I guess this may be different from the version of Photoshop we use (I use cc 2019).
I obviously won't sell the problematic version, but since the software runs on different devices, there must be problems, which is unavoidable. Unfortunately, this can only be solved by version update.
Programming is a very complicated matter. Each software is designed differently, and we use different coding languages.
As for the positioning of the price, I don't think it is necessary to refer to other tools. This is a tool to solve the unique problem. It can help you, you buy it, if you think it is expensive, maybe you don't need it.
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I don't believe that Trevor.Dennis is not using Photoshop 2019. That is why we suggest you allow a few selected people to try your software as a beta test on non other then Photoshop 2019, if you want to have confidence that your software runs smoothly. Regarding your discounts they assume that one knows many people, what if someone doesn't know any people or people who don't care about Photoshop, your discounts should not assume.
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I hope you can help me to do something to solve the bug.
1. Before releasing the B key, loosen the hand holding the mouse or lift the digital pen to prevent the error caused by the jitter. If this does not solve the problem, then step 2
2. Pull two crossed reference lines in the canvas, adjust the mouse to 1px, right click on the intersection (try to keep the coordinates absolutely accurate), summon the brush menu, take a full screen screenshot and send it to me.
Thanks.
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Photoshop version 20.0.1
Windows 10 Pro 1803
System i9-7900X
64Gb RAM
GTX970
millionart wrote
I hope you can help me to do something to solve the bug.
1. Before releasing the B key, loosen the hand holding the mouse or lift the digital pen to prevent the error caused by the jitter. If this does not solve the problem, then step 2
I'm not holding mouse or stylus. Just pressing and releasing the B key which the readme file returns the brush angle to 0°.
millionart wrote
2. Pull two crossed reference lines in the canvas, adjust the mouse to 1px, right click on the intersection (try to keep the coordinates absolutely accurate), summon the brush menu, take a full screen screenshot and send it to me.
This is not 'full' screen. Do you want me to set workspace to Essentials and grab the central monitor? I normally use three screens and custom workspaces.
BTW I lost the cursor again at one point, and Photoshop is playing up again since I re-enabled Brotate. I initially thought it was closing the document I was working on, but I have now realised it is bringing up the Home screen and Start Menu. It has not happened before I installed Brotate, and stopped happening after I removed it from Processes. Now it has happened again since installing 1.1.
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I am very sorry, as I am worried, the different language versions of Photoshop will have slight UI differences, which leads to errors in my tools. I am working on this issue.
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I just submitted version 1.2, fixed the 4° error and normalized the pointer movement rules, and it should be a lot better now.
This version also adds button adjustment and right button adjustment.
The known problem is that the button adjustment does not change at an angle of 10°/times, I will optimize it later.
I have been surprised by a lot of unexpected problems before, but please believe that I will make it better.
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I'm curious how this version performs, wait for Trevor.Dennis as he seems the only one who was the first to use this tool.
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