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Entfernen Werkzeug

Community Beginner ,
Nov 17, 2024 Nov 17, 2024

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Hallo zusammen,

 

Wenn ich Irgendwelche Objekte aus dem Bereich im Himmel entferne, bleibt da immer so ein Schatten vom entfernten Bereich übrig.

liegt das an einer von mir falsch eingestellten Sättigung ? Ist mir an der Vorherigen Version so nie aufgefallen.

Danke für euren Support.

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Nov 17, 2024 Nov 17, 2024

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Are you using the Remove tool ?

Perhaps a screen shot would help us understand the issue.

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 18, 2024 Nov 18, 2024

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Das hier meine ich......AN.jpg

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Community Expert ,
Nov 18, 2024 Nov 18, 2024

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Hallo @vwmatze 
Kannst du bitte noch das Ausgangsbild zum Vergleich zeigen?

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Community Beginner ,
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Community Beginner ,
Nov 18, 2024 Nov 18, 2024

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Yes, I use the Remove tool

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Community Expert ,
Nov 17, 2024 Nov 17, 2024

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"When I remove any objects from the area in the sky, there is always a shadow left"

See the recommendation from Rikk FLohr-

"The recommended order for applying edits is:

  1. Denoise 
  2. Heal (includes Generative AI Remove)
  3. Crop (includes traditional Cropping, Lens Correction, Transform, or any operation changing the geometry of the image, including round-tripping to PS to use Gen-Expand)
  4. Global Edits
  5. AI Selective edits (Sky, Person, etc)
    If you deviate from that, you may see the removed object remain as a ghost image. If this occurs, you will have to use Update AI Settings, which can be found under the Develop module 'Settings' menu."
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
 
 
Regards. My System: Lightroom-Classic 14.0, Photoshop 26.0, ACR 17.0, Lightroom 8.0, Lr-iOS 9.0.1, Bridge 15.0.0, Windows-11.

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Community Beginner ,
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AN.jpg

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 18, 2024 Nov 18, 2024

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Sorry, but I don't understand that. I'm still a Photoshop beginner

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Community Expert ,
Nov 18, 2024 Nov 18, 2024

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I assumed you are using Adobe Camera Raw (or Lightroom) for the editing (prior to opening in Photoshop). My post expressed the recommended order in which you do development steps in ACR or Lightroom. eg. if you do an AI sky mask first, then later do some AI healing or Remove, you might see 'ghosting' where you use the Remove tool.

 

Regards. My System: Lightroom-Classic 14.0, Photoshop 26.0, ACR 17.0, Lightroom 8.0, Lr-iOS 9.0.1, Bridge 15.0.0, Windows-11.

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Community Beginner ,
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ja, ich bearbeite die Bilder vorher noch in Lightroom und nutzte Photoshop Beta eigentlich immer zum entfernen von störenden Elementen. 

Das Entfernen von Teilen im Himmel macht immer diesen Ghost Schatten

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Community Beginner ,
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Hier noch ein anderes Beispiel

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A.jpg

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Community Expert ,
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My eyes are not seeing ghosting in your (latest) screen-clips, unless your red outline is hiding a sharp difference. I accept that the 'AI Remove' tool may not be perfect. Have you done an [ Update AI Settings ]?

I tried checking colour values (on your screen-clips) with the 'info' tool in Photoshop and get  almost exact same colour values both inside and outside your drawn circles. Perhaps to a Photoshop expert there may be a visible difference but I don't see it.

I do occasionally experience that tools in the 'Remove' group, Heal, etc, do not work well in Lightroom if the selected area is on an image edge boundary (as you show). The Remove tools in Photoshop may work better that Lightroom & ACR.

But I am out of ideas, sorry.  Keep you thread active and you may get better answers from others.

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Regards. My System: Lightroom-Classic 14.0, Photoshop 26.0, ACR 17.0, Lightroom 8.0, Lr-iOS 9.0.1, Bridge 15.0.0, Windows-11.

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Community Expert ,
8 hours ago 8 hours ago

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Danke für die Beispielbilder.
Siehst du hier auch einen solchen Ghost-Schatten?

pixxxelschubser_0-1732050671524.png

 

pixxxelschubser_1-1732050699438.png

 

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Community Beginner ,
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Nein

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Community Expert ,
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Hier?

Flugzeug_mit.jpg

Flugzeug_ohne.jpg

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Es ist sehr schwierig, eine konkrete Aussage zu treffen. Andere Bewegungen mit dem Werkzeug, andere Bereiche "überfahren", andere Reihenfolge der Bewegungen mit dem Werkzeug, andere Werkzeuggröße - alles kann durchaus zu komplett unterschiedlichen Ergebnissen führen.

In deinem eingangs gezeigtem Bild gibt noch eine zusätzliche Schwierigkeit. An mehreren Stellen hat der Himmel bereits eine ähnliche "geisterhafte" Tönung, z.B. über dem Heck oder auch rechts über dem Gebäude. Aber auch links von dem zu entfernenden Turm ist eine solche "Verfärbung" vorhanden. Möglicherweise wird diese durch das Entfernen-Tool berücksichtigt und mit eingebaut.

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