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Geting started with Photoshop cc on 4K monitor faced with problem of scale of interfece-its too small. How to adjust it to that resolution 3200x1800? Thanks in advance.

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Correct answer Trevor.Dennis

Preferences > Experimental features > Scale UI 200%.......

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Sam31733087srbk

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To adjust the interface size in Photoshop CC, you can go to Edit > Preferences > Interface. In there, you'll find a "UI Scaling" option. You can increase the scaling percentage to make the interface elements larger and more readable on your high-resolution screen.

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dhd.fr

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How to adjust resolution 3200x1800with Photoshop on my laptop

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candrias

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It's great that Photopshop has 100% and 200% zoom options, however Windows 10 recommends 150% zoom on a 4k monitor:

It would be really great if 150% zoom was supported by Photoshop too. I'd love to be able to use PS on my Windows machine but this limitation makes it much more practical for me to use the Mac where everything scales perfectly.

JJMack

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You have two choices.

1.) Update you windows registry to allow the use of External Program Manifest files and add a external manifest file for Photoshop in Photoshop folder to override Adobe internal manifest so Photoshop will use Windows scaling.

2.) Install Windows 10 Preview (no recommended) and use the new option in Photoshop desktop startup Icon Properties to use the new option to over the program and use windows scaling.

Both of these have been posted in this thread it you want the details.

JJMack

ajn_design

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Hi, This option is no longer there in Photoshop CC 2017

ajn_design

Inspiring

Ill keep googling for results

gener7

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It should be under the Interface category.

Gene

JJMack

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The Issue is resolution not the number of pixels. Too many users like you confuse number of pixels with resolution because of the way displays are marketed. It the resolution that is the problem not the number of pixel. All 4K displays display the same number of pixels. Users have no visual prolem when they use large 4K Displays. When a 4K display's size drops below 30" is when the displays resolution become a problem. Laptop have small displays.

283DPI 16:9 3840x2160 15.6" Wacom Mobile studio 16" Wacom $2999.99

185DPI 16:9 3840x2160 24" Dell 4K P2415Q IPS Amazon $ 380.00

163DPI 16:9 3840x2160 27" Dell 4K P2715Q IPS Amazon $ 480.00

159DPI 16:9 3840x2160 28" Dell 4K S2817Q Not IPS Amazon $ 430.00

140DPI 16:9 3840x2160 32" Dell 4K P3216Q IPS Amazon $1263.00

104DPI 16:9 3840x2160 43" Dell 4K P4317Q IPS Amazon $1200.00

A surface Pro 3 12" Display has 2160x1440 pixels has a resolution of 216 DPI and that is a Problem and Adobe will Scale that display 2X and that is also a problem for scaled 2X the display becomes a 1080x720 pixel display for Photoshop's UI which requires a display at lease 1024x768. Photoshop UI does not fit on a Surface Pro 3 display scaled 2X.

Adobe's Photoshop 2X scaling has several problems. System Dialogs like file open and file save will not be scaled because of Photoshop manifest is coded so the OS will not scale what the application displays so system dialog will not be scaled. All displayed will be scaled not just High Resolution displays when Photoshop preference is set to scale 200%. When you have different resolution on you system this is a big problem. High resolution displays on machines like the surface pro 1 will be scaled to 960x540px Photoshop UI will not fit.

I use a 185DPI 16:9 3840x2160 24" Dell 4K P2415Q IPS I do not scale it 2X because my two other displays have a 100DPI resolution. I only have Photoshop display Image windows on the 185DPI 16:9 3840x2160 24" Dell 4K P2415Q IPS so the only Photoshop UI elements on that displays is Photoshop info in the image frames.

Photoshop and Bridge screen capture.

JJMack

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lawrencer49195287

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Obsolete Software that works, and had a price of $2,599.000 is not obsolete. B.T.W. it is software. Not Cloudware or Rapeware, which they are pushing now that costs 600.00 a year. Adobe policies are much more extreme than the others are. Pulling software updates they released years ago off their FTP site for older versions of the Creative Suites so if forces those older customers to upgrade to CC is extreme, when the need to do a reinstall of their older software on a new machine after deactivating their current license properly from their old machine, occurs. Blocking internet updating of this older software with these older released updates, so that manual updating is the only option after a needed reinstall, is extreme. If the new software’s features are so tempting, the reason for upgrading does not need coercion, and it would make sense to move forward. But, the fact is, there is very little change from CS4 to CC in new features that are usable and productive and the interfaces on these newer versions are harder to use than the older versions. Why would you upgrade to something that is not useful or productive. It makes more sense to have happy customers that tout your software than to piss them off so they never come back. Oh, they do not really want repeat loyal customers, right. The point is not 4K, the point is making a product that is more useful, so you can be more productive, not to put more money in the Adobe’s salary profit account. Finally, when the rez of a monitor is 2160 or higher on the low end, the OS or the program should detect this and allow individual application scaling not global scaling. But, we all know this will never happen

D Fosse

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lawrencer49195287 wrote:
Obsolete Software that works, and had a price of $2,599.000 is not obsolete.

You're also missing the point. Old software versions are not updated. The current version is updated. This is true for all software vendors, everywhere.

JJ, you don't need to explain to me the relationship between pixels and screen size.

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lawrencer49195287

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The bottom line is Adobe does not care about CS4, CS5 of CS6 owners any more and how much they spent on these expensive suites. They have no interest in making the owners of these expensive suites happy. They are a Cloud Based Software company now, except for Elements, and I do not believe, even Elements 15, has the experimental 200% feature. Dan's fix is the closest attempt, but it has drawbacks, and does not work readily on CS5 or CS4 only CS6. Other software has this same problem with 4K and it has been noted earlier that this is also a Windows problem as well as a Mac problem. Amazingly Acrobat has no problem wit 4K but all Adobe Apps do. Interestingly, the Blue competition for Acrobat has no problem with 4K but Photoshop which has little competition, as more users prefer it over other options it has the 4K problem. Don't you all think that someone that is trying to adjust the quality of a graphic to the optimum, would want the least amount pixels they could get in their work monitor, IE 4K?

D Fosse

Community Expert

Obsolete software is never updated, not by any company - with the two sole exceptions of Microsoft and Apple. They have to, for security reasons.

Aside from that, 4K is a display property. It's a new display technology. It has nothing to do with Photoshop or any other software as such. What the software can do is provide workarounds so that both display technologies are usable.

When CS4/5/6 were made, nobody knew what 4K was.

JJMack

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D Fosse wrote:
Aside from that, 4K is a display property. It's a new display technology.

When does 4K displays become old technology? 4K computer displays have been marketed for 16 years and now there are 5K and 8K displays being marketed. The problem is not related to the number of pixels a display has it is relayed to the resolution of the displays the display's pixel density. For many years all computer display resolution had a pixel density in the range of 85dpi to 100dpi and operating systems developed desktop User interfaces for displays with those resolutions as did applications. The problem is today there are displays with much higher resolution. Displays are manufactured with a fixed sized pixels. Every pixel displayed is displayed with the display's fixed sized pixel. Today a display may manufactured with a 85dpi resolution or with a resolution way over 300DPI. They need to be able to display image rapidly in real time there no time to change resolution (pixel size). You not going to be able to watch a video on an inkjet printer that can display image at different resolutions. It takes the too much time to render the images.

So a User Interfaces developed for displays with a 100dpi resolution will display 1/4 the 100dpi size when displayed on a display with 200dpi resolution and 1/9 the size when displayed on a display with a 300dpi resolution and 1/16 the size on a 400dpi display. Photoshop Zooms you image view by quickly scaling your image to a different size image. You only view your image actual pixels when you view your image zoomed to 100% and the pixels you see are at the displays resolution. If you image had more pixels then the display can display you will only see part of you image you will need to pan to see all of your images.

OS like windows developed display scaling. A user can choose to scale what is displayed by application to a lower resolution than the display has. Windows preset a display with fewer pixels to the application then display actually has for the application to use. When the application displays anything windows scales the image size up in size and display these pixels on your display. However, Application can be coded with a manifest that instructs the OS not to scale what it displays. That the application will handle the display. So Windows presents to the application the number of pixels the display has and will not scale whet the application displays. This is what Photoshop does. You can not use Window scaling for Photoshop unless you modify your Windows registry to use external manifest files when thye exist and add and external manifest file for Photoshop. Adobe Photoshop CC provides a Preference to allow users to scale its UI 2X however there are issues with Photoshop UI scaling.

JJMack

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shimonw78273839

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not helpful

gener7

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Bridge? http://visihow.com/Increase_Font_Size_in_Adobe_Bridge_on_a_High_Resolution_4k_Graphics_Card_and_Monitor_So_It_Is_Not_Too…

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shimonw78273839

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did it but now its way to big

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tandyd49325916

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I must be missing something. I recently upgraded to CC and have a screen with 3840x2160 resolution. All of my adobe programs the font is tiny! In Bridge the font and thumbnails are miniscule, impossible to read. I have searched for the experimental feature to change UI to 200% but I can't seem to find it on the most recent download of Creative Cloud. Searching for someway to make the program readable or it won't be of any use.

Per Berntsen

Community Expert

In Photoshop CC 2014 and 2015, the UI scaling is under Edit > Preferences > Interface.

There is currently no such option in Bridge.

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tandyd49325916

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Any options to make bridge remotely usable? The wording on the menus all overlaps and thumbnails are so tiny, if there isn't an interface change what can be done?

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ChrisBaltazar

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I'm using CS5 and I don't see the Experimental menu option. What are my options to fix this issue?

postrophe

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Hi

Your best bet is upgrading to latest PS CC 2015.1.2 version.

If there is a Hack, I won't publicize it here.

Pierre

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Mike Hounsome

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I'm having the same trouble with Photoshop CS6 and Bridge but not with Premiere Elements 14. I have a 28" 4K screen running at 60Hz over displayport and the UI fonts are tiny in these programs. My guess is that Adobe will not bother to correct this in CS6 but will they correct it in CC( have they?)? The options of 100% and 200% are not enough. If they have (or are likely to) corrected it in CC then it might be worth my while taking out a subscription but if not, then I'll stick with CS6 - which I've already paid for.

It is notable that Adobe get it right with Premiere Elements but not with their other (more expensive) software. Also, that most, but not all, of my other programs seem to work well at 4K. So if other software manufacturers can get it right, how come a big company like Adobe can't? And don't give us all that bul****t about 'working with Microsoft' when Adobe can do it with at least one of their programs and other companies can also do it.

Fix it Adobe.

D Fosse

Community Expert

Mike Hounsome wrote:

My guess is that Adobe will not bother to correct this in CS6 but will they correct it in CC( have they?)?

That's right, CS6 will not receive any more updates.

Fix it Adobe.

They have. The current CC version fully supports high-density displays and has so since CC2014.

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Mike Hounsome

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So the current Photoshop CC allows one to choose any UI scaling, not just 100% or 200%? If so, I might consider subscribing.

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