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January 22, 2019
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Photoshop + Acrobat: "Export As Optimized PDF" distorts / garbles all vector data

  • January 22, 2019
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Hello All,

I have been optimizing PDFs in Acrobat for a very long time with no issues. Today, the process I use no longer works. I have spent several hours troubleshooting. I called customer service for 2 hours, just to be bounced around from Acrobat to Photoshop as one rep cannot help you with both programs. I searched the internet high and low. I am at a loss here. Please help!

Here is the usual workflow:

PHOTOSHOP

- Created a graphic in photoshop. All text with one raster image as background
- Converted all text to shapes
- All that is left in the file is layers of shapes (formerly text) and one background raster image- Save As PDF

Result: A 30mb PDF file, perfect vector shapes, print-ready CMYK 300dpi.

The above could be just fine but there is a lot of bloat when Photoshop makes a PDF so I like to optimize the file.

ACROBAT (Optimize To Minimize File Size)
- Open PDF in Acrobat
- Review file, Zoom to 1200%, confirm all shapes/converted text/vectors look great
- Save As Other... Optimized PDF


Usual Result: A ~2mb file, all shapes / vector in tact.

Current Results / Issue:  Creates a PDF, completely distorts, garbles, and misinterprets the vector shapes, shapes are still vector, but all messed up. The vector characters seem to be completely retracted or as if the program is trying to scan for text then do it's best to give you some kind of terrible estimate of how it should look.

This process has been working for months without a hiccup. I tried every combination of options under "Optimized PDF". I even tried clicking no options. I uninstalled Acrobat and reinstalled. I used "Reduce File Size". Same issue persists. It's starting to feel like a software issue. Windows 10 and CC Suite are fully updated.
Thanks for reading and thanks in advance.

CASE Number / ID: ADB5468478W5P6

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jane-e
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jane-eCommunity Expert
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January 22, 2019

js21229673  wrote

I have been optimizing PDFs in Acrobat for a very long time with no issues. Today, the process I use no longer works.

 

This process has been working for months without a hiccup.

Hi JS,

Can you try doing File > Save as Photoshop PDF with live text instead of shapes? Live text is the best workflow from PS to PDF.

In the Acrobat dialog that comes up, what named setting are you using, and does it say “modified” after the name? If the named preset was modified, how was it modified in each tab?

In Acrobat, Save as Other > Optimized is usually only used if you do not have the original file and only the PDF and you need to compress it further. Again, what is the named setting or does it say “custom”? If it says “custom”, how was each tab modified?

You should be able to minimize the file size using the correct settings the first time since you have the source document.

Also, if you click Edit in Acrobat DC, it does OCR without asking and does try to convert it back to text with whatever setting you have in the OCR tool. To check to see if it did that, go to File > Properties and look at the Font tab. Are any typefaces listed there?

When it worked for you before, which versions did you have of PS and Acrobat? And which (exact) versions now?

Jane

Abambo
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AbamboCommunity Expert
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January 22, 2019

This certainly does not look correct. But your workflow is quite strange too.

Why converting all text to shapes? That's by far no more necessary.

Why not doing the optimization in Photoshop? You can save a perfectly optimized Photoshop PDF file (with all Photoshop content stripped) from Photoshop.

Why using Photoshop? Why not using Illustrator or Indesign for doing that job and creating a highly optimized PDF? (Well answer is probably because Photoshop is accessible and Illustrator or Indesign are not).

Moving this to Photoshop​, as it is basically a Photoshop question that can be handled in Photoshop. Original location was Adobe Creative Cloud​.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
js21229673
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January 22, 2019

Hello,

Thank for your reply.

I only have knowledge and access to PS & DC. I cannot embed fonts in this case.


Goals: To have the smallest possible PDF, ready for press, without embedding fonts, rasterizing vectors, or compressing the raster background image quality.

- I convert all text to shapes so there is no need to deal with missing fonts or embedding when sending to press. Serves same function as "Create Outlines" in Illustrator. Presses prefer this.


- jane-e​ There are no fonts in the PDF. Also never use the EDIT feature since I only use Acrobat for the Optimization export. The "Recognize Text" box is clicked off.

So the question is I have a great looking, accurate PDF. Why is Acrobat optimizing it, taking the vector data and distorting it?

Are there major differences between a Photoshop PDF and an Acrobat PDF?

This has always worked flawlessly. I believe this is an Acrobat problem since that's where the issue is occuring, not Photoshop. Acrobat should not be reinterpreting vector items. It's doing this even when NO BOXES are checked in the "Optimize" function.

Thank you. Abambo​ jane-e​

Abambo
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AbamboCommunity Expert
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January 23, 2019

Thanks again!


Abambo​

I agree as well and understand PDFs better.

As for presses and printing, I am the end user submitting the final, approved, press-ready artwork. I am in the East Coast USA and use many different printers that deal with print brokers and gang runs.  There is no need for the font because there is no further editing once I submit. The accuracy of the final artwork is more important than any workflow or editing beyond this point. Presses usually give three options:

- A raster PDF file (flat, 300dpi minimum, cmyk)

- A PDF with all text converted to outlines (raster elements same as above)

- A PDF with embedded fonts  (raster elements same as above)

The issue is, sometimes fonts can behave oddly from app to app or machine to machine. So, presses DO give this option but most prefer outlines. With shapes / outlines there is no chance a less than ideal typeface may do something undesirable. Not everyone has access to the official, OTF typeface from the vendor. Sometimes, people want to use less-than-ideal typefaces. That's where converting to shapes or outlines works! It's fool proof!

jane-e​
I am going to review what you showed me and apply. Thank you for taking the time to answer me.

However, not sure why Acrobat is behaving like this either way. It should not.


js21229673  wrote

As for presses and printing, I am the end user submitting the final, approved, press-ready artwork. I am in the East Coast USA and use many different printers that deal with print brokers and gang runs.  There is no need for the font because there is no further editing once I submit. The accuracy of the final artwork is more important than any workflow or editing beyond this point. Presses usually give three options:

- A raster PDF file (flat, 300dpi minimum, cmyk)

- A PDF with all text converted to outlines (raster elements same as above)

- A PDF with embedded fonts  (raster elements same as above)

The issue is, sometimes fonts can behave oddly from app to app or machine to machine. So, presses DO give this option but most prefer outlines. With shapes / outlines there is no chance a less than ideal typeface may do something undesirable. Not everyone has access to the official, OTF typeface from the vendor. Sometimes, people want to use less-than-ideal typefaces. That's where converting to shapes or outlines works! It's fool proof!

I simply can't agree with that. Embedded fonts is today the standard and even in China, we simply refuse to outline fonts. The only reason a printer needs outlined fonts is when he opens the file to modify something with the file what he should absolutely not do.

Please read this and if you still have problems, I would suggest to call Dov Isaacs to clarify your (quite bizarre) workflow.

Prepression: The Ten Commandments of PDF

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
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