Who on earth wants this AI slop, I just want to use the REMOVE TOOL!!!

[yay_for_ai]

Why do you insist on force-inserting AI slop into all your products?

I cannot simply open up Photoshop and run the Remove Tool. No, No, No!

That's too efficient and effective,

No, there's a better way, Adobe Devs cry out!!!!

Make him:

Open Photoshop
Click Remove Tool

Accept the AI Slop BS Terms
Click on a Second Popup Window

Then you get two choices depending on how UNLUCKY you are:

1. APP CRASHES

2. You get some BS highlighter, and I have to colour in, then tell the AI to remove it for me, please. S

I am not stupid; I am human; stop gemmickifying your products, first post, but this seriously is <<INSERT YOU FAVOURITE EUPHEMISM >> me off, and I am sure countless others.

Bonus Side rant! As you INSIST, I must use AI to use the remove tool. I did a side-by-side with ChatGPT to do the same Removal, and it made this slop you have force inserted upon us look like it was programmed by kids. Great work, devs! Might as well cancel Adobe Creative Cloud and just use ChatGPT instead!

[Ged_Traynor]

@yay_for_ai you can turn off Gen AI for the remove tool

[c.pfaffenbichler]

As @Ged_Traynor already pointed out you seem to be mistaken. 

But aside from that you might want to restrain your temper somewhat and also consider who you are actually »talking« to – Feature Requests (Idea) and Bug Reports are registered at Adobe, otherwise this is essentially a user Forum, though thankfully some Adobe employees do occasionally chime in.

[D Fosse]

If you just do not accept the AI terms and conditions, the tool in question will settle on the non-AI mode, and you won't be bothered again.

I have never accepted the terms, nor do I ever intend to. I just dismiss it if it comes up (which isn't very often, since I don't use any of the dedicated gen AI tools). So I know there's no AI trickery going on with my work.

[c.pfaffenbichler]

Well, then the original poster should look into how they can revoke their acceptance of those terms and conditions. 

Which I would expect to be possible if not exactly easy … 

But I wonder how stringent their reasoning on the issue is because if I understand correctly the Remove Tool has technically always been an implementation of AI – albeit utulizing a (by today’s standards) fairly simple model. 

[D Fosse]

Adobe Sensei and Firefly are two very different paradigms.  I have no problems with the former, but I want nothing to do with the latter.

[c.pfaffenbichler]

I don’t claim to truly understand the distinction between the two AI-implementations, so your decision to use the one and avoid the other can certainly be perfectly reasonable. 

But this thread’s title (»Who on earth wants this AI slop, I just want to use the REMOVE TOOL!!!«) doesn’t appear to be technically fully coherent to me. 

[D Fosse]

Sensei works without an internet connection. It's machine learning to improve the tool's algorithms, but it's processed locally and uses only local data in the image.

Firefly is generative AI, which invents new data out of thin air, mashups from an external image bank, and processed on Adobe's servers. You have absolutely no idea what comes out at the other end.

In other words - the practical difference is predictability and controllability. That's where the line in the sand goes. I found a good definition of controllability on the internet:

"The system is controllable when the desired output is obtained by applying the specific controlled input. It is the ability to control the state of the system."

[c.pfaffenbichler]

Sensei works without an internet connection. It's machine learning to improve the tool's algorithms, but it's processed locally and uses only local data in the image.

Are you sure it is learning/improving the algorithm on your computer and not just processing image data case by case based on a »constant« algorithm (except potentially in the case of program updates)? 

Because that could mean that the tool would over time work (however slightly) differently on two computers one is using. 

[D Fosse]

Well, to be frank, this is way above my technical knowledge. I don't need to know how it works, I just need to know what it does.

I just have a very strong sensation that a line is being crossed here and I'm in no practical doubt whatsoever what is on this side and what is on that side. This has never been something I needed to think about or make arguments for or against. It's just given, instinctively and a priori.

[c.pfaffenbichler]

I didn’t want to draw your decision in question, it is obviously legitimate. 

Sometimes I speculate on technical details I don’t fully understand myself and as Adobe’s involvement with AI predates the »general popularity« that came with the release of ChatGPT it seems hard to assess »what’s what« exactly … 

[D Fosse]

Yes, it's murky waters indeed. That's why I think it's crucial to listen to your instincts. If it feels wrong, no argument is necessary. Just don't do it.