Adobe should make opt-out to all of gen ai feature for users.

[Ultimatebeetle]

Not only photoshop, all of softwares by adobe.

Many artists who using adobe products don't want to using & supporting generative ai at all.

we have rights to opt-out from these things like generative ai tools in software, unwanted ads and nofitications.

[D Fosse]

@ExUSA 

AI per se is not a problem. Generative AI - i.e. Firely - is a problem. Noise reduction is fine. Generating new content is not fine. That's where you're crossing the line.

It is in fact extremely easy to avoid crossing that line: just don't accept the terms and conditions for Firefly. If you're picking up a tool that uses Firefly, you need to accept the terms before you can use it.

I have never accepted the terms, and for those tools that can go both ways, like the Remove tool, there will be a rolldown in the options bar:

Once that is set, you won't be bothered again.

[bluebrad]

I have had this request from fellow team members. Would there be a way to disable Gen-AI tools so they are not enticed to use them, and also so they can still use their software when working offline. 

[Stephen Marsh]

Link removed as a moderator has now merged the topic!

[AGDunbar]

You do have an option of sorts. in the top toolbar, there is an Mode option to switch it off (3 in fact)  - Auto (may be used), Generative AI on, or Generative AI Off.

[jane-e]

@AGDunbar wrote:

"You do have an option of sorts. in the top toolbar, there is an Mode option to switch it off (3 in fact)  - Auto (may be used), Generative AI on, or Generative AI Off."

If you are referring to the post and image from @D Fosse , note that his screenshot is for the Remove tool, not for all Generative AI.

Jane

[Conrad_C]

You do have an option of sorts. in the top toolbar, there is an Mode option to switch it off (3 in fact) - Auto (may be used), Generative AI on, or Generative AI Off.

By @AGDunbar 

jane-e is correct. That is not a “top toolbar” it’s what’s called the (tool) options bar (Window > Options), which presents options only for the current tool, not the entire application. So any options you see in the options are tool-specific (they change depending on what tool you selected), in this case options for the Remove tool only. For example, changing the Remove tool’s Mode menu will not disable Generate Image or generative fill. That’s why the Mode menu is definitely not the application-wide “master switch” for generative AI that is being requested here. 

[M-H]

Remove Tool is the only tool where it might or might not use AI when set to Auto and thats why there is a settings for it. Generate Image or Generative Fill are AI only so if you dont want to use them - just dont. Its not compulsory. Regardless of you opting out of AI or not, you are still using application which supports all sorts of unethical ways of altering images so its more about how you use it and whats the intent

[ExUSA]

Please explain what "unethical ways" you are speaking about? 

[M-H]

You can remove stuff just using Clone Tool i.e. people/object from  some press photos (quite famous one with dead birds on top of a bus stop), hide damage on items sold online, alter model skin and body using Liquify, including changing face expressions. You can comp images together and blend it perfectly using masks and adjustment layers to give them totally different meaning.

Worth noting that Adobe generative models have been trained on licensed images and its not something that every AI company can say!

[ExUSA]

Image manipulation and editing has been going on since the beginning of photography.

[M-H]

That's exactly what I mean! So it's not like AI suddenly opened the floodgates to unethical manipulation, right?

I imagine how people must have been complaining when clone tool was first added to PS...

[jane-e]

@ExUSA wrote:

Image manipulation and editing has been going on since the beginning of photography.

I remember going to the National Gallery of Art many years before Photoshop's first release and learned that image manipulation started centuries ago when artists had only a brush, canvas, and paint. 😊

@M-H 

Generative AI creates pixels that weren't there and use Adobe's servers. Adobe gets to set their own rules for Generative AI. You can do whatever you want with traditional methods.

Jane

[M-H]

@jane-e Adding noise to the image adds new pixels there weren't there before, so that's not really something only AI does. You dont mind using Adobe servers for this forum or to login to your account/run apps  but to use their serves for AI is "crossing the ethical line"?

If you created your own AI models for others to use Im sure you would set some (your own) rules around it too and would not let random users just create whatever they wanted

[LeonLondon]

Image manipulation has indeed been around since photography began but if you remove and add content as a press photographer, my employer, like many others, would fire me. While it's clear that using the clone tool is crossing the line, the introduction of AI into regularly used and accepted tools (like sharpening and de-noise) creates uncertainty. Currently, AI is the big thing that everyone's talking about so it's clearly indicated which features AI generative content adjustments, but in later versions it may just be folded in, meaning users won't know what is or isn't using that technology.

It's amazing how many people are getting so wound up about a request for a feature. If you don't care about AI, yay you! However, if you work in an industry that strives to retain integrity in the images produced, being able to permanently opt out of a troublesome feature would be helpful.

It's great to see that the request has been noted by developers and will hopefully be introduced. Thanks.

[M-H]

@LeonLondon was there any sort of indication so far that AI features are being "smuggled in" without users knowing? To me it seems literally like the opposite. Remove Tool being one of the first tools fully utilising generative AI and there is AI off option straight away. Which sharpening or denoising tools in PS are using generative AI?

Are developers ok to use AI when they are writing code for your opt-out button or they also should be limited to just typing in manually?

[ExUSA]

Noise reduction is not generative AI. And do you realize that many cameras have noise reduction built in? And every RAW processor makes choices about how to demosaic and process a file? If you use film, the choice of stock and developer can dramatically alter the look of a photo. Etc etc.

News organizations should [cursing removed] know that there is no exact and accurate rendering of a scene. And let's not get started on eyewitness reliability or editing decisions. EVERYTHING the news publishes is subject to error and manipulation and bias.

[AJordan12]

I believe with respect to noise reduction/sharpening, the concern is not traditional noise reduction, but rather tools that are being introduced for upscaling, restoring & "cleaning" images that do use generative models. Some of these features exist in photoshop already, some exist in other software, and it is easy to imagine adobe introducing their own versions of these techniques in the future. There are a host of issues with generative models - from ethical & legal concerns about the source of the training data to clients who require that AI has not been used. Artists want to be able to choose what tools & services to use and not use. Having a way to fully and confidently disable these features is important to many users. 

[D Fosse]

@AJordan12 

I agree with all of that.

I was genuinely worried about the future of authentic creativity when generative AI first came on the scene. I still am - but as far as Photoshop is concerned, it has settled nicely. Every tool that can optionally use generative AI, now has a simple option to completely disable it. 

And the obligate gen AI tools are easily avoided.

So I think the original question has been resolved. Yes, we can now tun it off completely (good riddance...;-) )

[sammey]

YESS!!! And introduce into metadata tagging that makes it clear you don't want your own IP scraped.