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photoshop colors different from lightroom

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October 26, 2020
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Hello,

i have just update photoshop to the latest version and for some reasons now, when i click on edit in photoshop from lightroom, the colors are completely different, with the previous version of photoshop i had a 100% color match without doing anything.

do i have to set any color management profile or similar? and if yes where?

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lennartbx

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I have the exact same problem (Win10 x64, newest PS + LR versions).

Same situation on my end: My monitor profiles are NOT defective, all are self configured (in every application), measured with Xrite, and used to work fine until the recent PS/LR update. Definitely a huge problem here with this expensive piece of software, @ Adobe....

lennartbx

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(... hit 'post' too early....)

I also use third party Camera Profiles, same as jmvdigital.

This is with 99% an update related issue that still has not been fixed...

jmvdigital

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It looks like the latest update to Photoshop v22.0.1 (on Mac) has fixed the camera profile/LUT mismatch issue, as expected.

hidalgo5EA9Author

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I checked on windows, but the error persist even on latest photoshop update

jmvdigital

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You are correct, I was too quick to call it fixed. It indeed is still an issue. Sorry about that.

D Fosse

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Take a look at this (short!) thread in the Lightroom forum. I have a feeling this gets to the heart of it:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic/slightly-color-shift-from-lr-to-ps-raw-format-same-color-space-checked/td-p/11588597?page=1

jmvdigital

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I was hopeful, but alas, that solution seems to be specific to their situation. I just opened multiple profiles in a code editor... there's nothing in the files with "crs:CameraProfile=".

I'll just keep waiting for an update.

@hidalgo5EA9 You can also get around this by exporting a PSD straight from Lightroom. Just use the Export As... function and you can create a 16-bit ProPhoto PSD. I send mine to the desktop and then copy them back into the photo's main folder after I'm done, and then use the "Synchronize Folder" option to have Lightroom find the new PSD files in that folder. It's a bit of a pain, but is only slowing me down by a tiny bit.

hidalgo5EA9Author

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I am giving a small update on this mess, i just updated to the newest camera raw update 13.0.2, still the same result, colors are not matching unless you reimport a dng into photoshop.

NB, colourmanagement

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Hi

we've told you what we think the error is.

your display profile is probably bad

we've even given you concise instructions how to check if that's the issue

please give us the credit for some experience and try testing what we have suggested

then report back with full information, screenshots, software versions if it didn’t help

we can't help you unless you do that

I hope this helps 
thanks
neil barstow, colourmanagement.net :: adobe forum volunteer
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jmvdigital

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And I've told you, I don't think it's the display profile (at least not in my case). Display profiles don't just suddenly go "bad."

For one, round tripping from LR to PS and back to LR... this maintains the color fault, which means that the display profile is ENTIRELY irrelevant. I take a RAW (in my case, a CR3 file from the Canon R5), "Edit in Photoshop" to create a 16-bit ProPhoto PSD directly in PS, I then immediately save the PSD and go view it back in LR... same color mismatch is visibile direclty in LR. As you well know, a display profile is neither embedded in these image files, nor can it affect one image differently than another within the same application. So no, it's not monitor profiles.

And just to make this crystal clear, I went ahead and changed my monitor profile to the MacOS default of "Color LCD". I then restarted both PS and LR, and then round tripped a new image from LR->PS->LR. Here's the result, direclty in LR, side-by-side.

The PSD is both desaturated in the orange/yellow, and over saturated in the blue. And the shadows are a bit higher in the PSD.

And the make it even more polished crystal clear, I gave a solution, which instead of doing "Edit in" and letting Photoshop's ACR convert the RAW to PSD, force LR to do it, and do a regular file Export As from LR and save a 16-bit ProPhoto PSD... no color changes.

This is obviously a mismatch in the way ACR and LR are processing images. Perhaps with certain cameras? Maybe. I don't have time to test other cameras and scenarios, I'm trying to get paying work done.

D Fosse

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Here's actually another one where there might be something odd going on: https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop/blacks-crushed-in-bridge-and-acr/td-p/11582930?page=1

So same question: can you try a different camera profile? And how does this look in ACR?

One more thing: Are you all using Macs? A few years ago there was a very similar MacOS bug that produced a similar result (black clipping in one or all channels). I had completely forgotten about that. That one affected Lightroom only. The thing is - in MacOS, color management is called by the application, but actually executed by the OS. That's different from Windows, which is hands-off and all color management is handled by the application.

I still don't understand why eliminating the monitor profile from the equation was such an impossible thing to ask. It's just a thirty second operation, and then we could have all moved on and saved a lot of time and energy.

D Fosse

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Just to confirm that this isn't a general issue, here's a shot from today. To cover all possibilities, I opened into both Adobe RGB and ProPhoto in Photoshop. These are screenshots of the full image displayed at 12.5% zoom in both apps:

PS 22.0 / ACR 13.0.2 / LrC 10.0 (I've not yet seen any LrC 10.0.2).

Sony a7r iii

Eizo CG 2730 / Eizo ColorNavigator 7

Win 10 Pro / Nvidia Quadro P600 / driver 452.06

hidalgo5EA9Author

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Sorry, but if your machine/setup work does not mean that there isn't a general issue going on, it prooves only that You have no problem with it.

If i would be the only one reporting this issue i would consider it the same way.

D Fosse

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I get that, but the one thing in common for everybody reporting this so far, is a complete lack of specifics. No screenshots showing the system monitor profile, no confirmation from anybody that replacing the profile has even been tried. No information at all about general hardware configuration.

Do that, and you'll get attention. I'm not denying that you may be right, but if you're going to report this, you need to be specific and show that the usual suspects have been eliminated.

If you've been looking around this forum lately, you will have seen an absolute avalanche of broken monitor profiles, giving the weirdest symptoms. There's been two or three daily. These profiles come from monitor and laptop manufacturers, who distribute their bad profiles through Windows Update, to unsuspecting users who don't even know what hit them.

<EDIT> oh, and one thing that needs to be emphasized again, because it's extremely important: if you replace the monitor profile in Windows for diagnostic purposes, the application (PS+Lr) must be relaunched to pick up the new profile. The profile is loaded at startup, and it will be used for the duration of the session, regardless of changing it on system level.

jmvdigital

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Just wanted to chime in that I'm having the same issue. On Mac though.

Also HIGHLY doubt it's a defective monitor profile. I've been doing color management stuff for years now, very familiar with it and profile use. I use an advanced profiling process with a spectro and colorimeter (with spectro correction matrix), with confirmation of delta-E profile accuracy after the fact. There was NO issue with color mismatch between PS and LR until the recent update. No changes in my monitor profiles. At first I thought it was just me, and went ahead and corrected the images in PS to get me back to where I wanted. But now I realize it's a visual mismatch straight out of PS vs. LR rendering.

Camera Raw v13.0.2 (latest), Photoshop v22.0 (latest), Lightroom Classic v10.0 (latest).

jmvdigital

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I can also confirm, that in my case, the rendering change is permenant. If I send a RAW file from LR to PS, and then save as a PSD.. when viewing the RAW side-by-side with the PSD in LR, the colors are different. The PSD looks like it did in PS.

In general, it appears there is a slight saturation and contrast loss in the PSD.

D Fosse

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OK, let's get to the bottom of this. Show us this, with sRGB IEC61966-2.1 as default monitor profile. You must relaunch PS and Lr after switching profile, they load the profile at application startup:

- and this, with Lightroom and Photoshop side by side, a raw file open in Lightroom, and the same sent to Photoshop with "Edit In", showing a clear difference between them:

Then I have no problem agreeing that the monitor profile isn't the problem.

In that case, unchecking GPU in both applications is the next step. That will rule out a buggy video driver.

With those two out of the way, then we can discuss any Photoshop issues. But troubleshooting isn't about blaming. It's about ruling out the most likely issues first, then successively narrowing it down.

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Cruz0D4D

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I too am having the same issue. It has to do with the new 2021 PS update. I doubt that its a defective monitor profile as I followed the recommended steps provided in earlier posts.

I am back using my original monitor profile and works well with PS 2020. Hope there's a solution soon. Thanks.

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Cruz0D4D

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I want to add that I have added the following step in my workflow for the meantime:

I export to PS 2020 to edit from LR (latest version). Once file is open in PS 2020, I exit.

I then re-open from LR to edit in PS2021 and colors are retained. 🙂 I know, I know... 😞

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Thuvarakan Balakumar

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I just moved over to capture one. Got fed up with troubleshooting this issue. Edit in photoshop works perfectly from C1.

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