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How Can I Properly Export to YouTube from Elements?

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January 7, 2017
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Hello to whoever is reading this and/answering me,

I thank you for it!

As the title suggests, I'm inquiring on how I can export to YouTube (in absolute highest quality) the best way. If you go to the 'Export and Share' on Elements, you see 'Quick Export,' 'Devices,' 'Disc,' 'Online,' 'Audio' and finally but not least... 'Image.'

Now, why have I stated that above? Simply because I'm questioning the best one for the highest quality YouTube uploads. You see, if I go to 'Online' and upload directly from Elements to YouTube, I'm extremely limited to my abilities to maneuver what settings I'd like. In fact, there's no custom or advanced settings to choose from.

Now, lets say I assume exporting from 'Devices' suits best, as I can go to advanced settings and so on, does that I mean I have to go to 'Audio' and 'Image' to put in the settings best suited for YouTube as well before I export? And even if I do not, each of these have their own limitations, 'Audio' has a few more advanced settings then does in 'Devices,' and so on in the opposite manner. I really don't want to bring this up but...it's quite in-convenient how it's setup. That's my criticism to the (software) system.

To add on, I'm a little disappointed. Can I not change my bitrate of the video? The recommended or/for normal quality videos that are recorded in 1920 x 1080, the bitrate should be 10,000 kbps. I went to 'Device,' 'custom,' 'advanced settings,' and then 'video' category. I then went to bitrate settings and, to my surprise, no way of changing the bitrate. The only thing I saw was 'Target Bitrate' and 'Maximum Bitrate' with a scale to go up/down.

To recap, my questions are this.

1. Before Exporting and Sharing, to get the best results for YouTube, I must go to each individual "folder(s)" (Devices, Online, Image, etc.) to choose each best setting, for example, audio to video, or can I do this all in Devices? Basically, when exporting, I should check each "folder" for best results in all respected aspects such as devices, audio, and video. Or...what's the best way to export to YouTube? I hope someone who knows video can help me with this question.

2. Can I change the bitrate?

I hope really hope someone can help me. It's a little stressing to be honest with you. Okay, it's really stressing me out.

Thank you so much for your time,

Andrew

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Correct answer Bill Sprague

Steve Grisetti wrote:b
..... I still think the OP is overthinking this. You can only squeeze so much juice out of a YouTube upload. ...

Agreed. My habit has been to make my output close to my source input then upload to YouTube or, more often, Vimeo. Both are very good at getting right on their end. The same output is also "right" for my TV.

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Steve Grisetti

Brainiac

Please mark Bill's response as correct so he can get credit. Thanks, and glad you're up and running!

TimothyDolinschiAuthor

Inspiring

I figured the perfect export, how to export for great quality videos onto YouTube (by doing test recordings, etc.) and I recently just did a shoot that I now have to edit, but I noticed that, as Steve Grisetti warned, the "orange render line" above, it has appeared for me. And I have no clue why. I recorded 1920x1080, and everything should match, but since I got the render line, it suggests otherwise? Does anyone know why?

And thank you so much for the help on how to export, I've found that Export&Share/Devices/Computer or Export&Share/Devices/Custom work amazing, and I think I prefer custom as I see the slightest of slightest difference in quality. But extremely, extremely hard to tell.

Again, thank you, thank you, thank you. To everyone. I really appreciate it. Hope my question will be answered soon!

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Bill Sprague

Community Expert

In short, the orange line shows up when your project settings don't match your material or you've made creative edits including adjustments, effects, transitions, fades, etc.

Premier Elements uses a two render system. The first is for preview during editing. The second is for creating the final output.

The preview rendering is done in "real time" by making preview files that play to the specifications of your project settings. Normally the project settings are created automatically when you put your first clip on the timeline. If that first clip is not typical of the rest of your material, the orange line shows up to tell you that the preview files may need renewing to match whatever automatic project settings that were created. In other words, the orange line shows up when your source material does not match the project settings.

The orange line also shows up when you start making creative edits including adjustments, transitions, effects, etc.

Do you have to render every time the orange line shows up? No. It is only telling you that you might have to render to achieve smooth flowing previews. If you computer is strong enough, it may play smoothly without rendering.

The second rendering is done at output. All your project work is re-coded or rendered from scratch. That means that all of the source files are re-read according to the editing instructions you created during editing. The preview renders that may or may not have an orange line are ignored. That's why output files may play better than what you see during editing.

TimothyDolinschiAuthor

Inspiring

Okay, so if I'm not mistaken, the orange render line above appears because 1) it may not match with source or 2) I did a transition, etc.? And how do I render on Elements?

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Steve Grisetti

Brainiac

Thank you, Bill! I didn't know that!

That said, I still think the OP is overthinking this. You can only squeeze so much juice out of a YouTube upload. But I sure appreciate Ann's contribution!

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Bill SpragueCorrect answer

Community Expert

Steve Grisetti wrote:b
..... I still think the OP is overthinking this. You can only squeeze so much juice out of a YouTube upload. ...

Agreed. My habit has been to make my output close to my source input then upload to YouTube or, more often, Vimeo. Both are very good at getting right on their end. The same output is also "right" for my TV.

TimothyDolinschiAuthor

Inspiring

To everyone who replied above, thank you! But I think there is a misunderstanding.

I forgot to specify that I'm asking if I should shoot in Raw + Jpeg (CR2.) and if I should shoot in 16:9 for video, which all of you thought I was talking about photos, which is all my fault. If someone could answer this, I would be extremely appreciative.

Thank you so much to everyone who's been helping, it really means a lot!

Ann Bens

Community Expert

I would shoot raw (which Elements supports) in 3:2. (I can import Nikon NEF files) Which is highest quality and best to color correct.

I would never take pictures in 16:9 (only if they are intended just for a particular video and nothing else)

3:2 will give you more latitude to frame.

On a side note: do a test run. Shoot raw, jpeg, 16/9 and 3/2 and see what YOU like best to work with.

Upload to YT and see how it looks.

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Steve Grisetti

Brainiac

You should shoot in the aspect ratio of the video project you're going to use your photos in. If you're shooting in a 16:9 project, then you might as well shoot your photos in 16:9 to fill the frame. (I assume by "shoot" you mean shoot photos, right?)

As for JPEG or Camera RAW, I'm sure as a photographer you know the advantages of each. RAW photos can not, of course, be used in a Premiere Elements project. They'll need to be exported from Photoshop Elements' RAW editor into a photo format -- which might as well be JPEG. So whether or not you shoot in RAW depends on how much RAW editing you plan to do once you've taken the picture.

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Bill Sprague

Community Expert

Steve Grisetti wrote:
...... RAW photos can not, of course, be used in a Premiere Elements project. They'll need to be exported from Photoshop Elements' RAW editor into a photo format -- which might as well be JPEG. ....

Steve,

With due respect, Premiere Elements incorporates Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) data in some way that allows RAW photo files to be imported without any pre-processing. You don't see the same slider interface as you see when you open a RAW file in Photoshop Elements or Photoshop, but RAW files can be brought into any PrE project through the standard Add Media routine.

Below is a screenshot. Note that ".RW2" is the file extension for Panasonic's version of RAW.

TimothyDolinschiAuthor

Inspiring

No one really answered my question on if I should shoot in aspect ratio 16:9 on my Canon 70D, and if I should shoot in Jpeg or CR2. I really gotta know, because I gotta start recording soon. And this is for YouTube, so if anyone could answer this question (that I've been questioning for weeks and weeks...) I need to know for highest quality possible.

Mohammad Tahseen

Adobe Employee

A lot has been discussed already about the concern on how to upload a video to YouTube while preserving the best quality; please ignore if it has already been answered. Premiere Elements actually creates a complete files before uploading to YouTube and YouTube or any such platforms (facebook, Vimeo etc.) then re-encodes that movie file at their end. We can't control anything there. What we can do is to send a file with best possible quality. And inside Premiere Elements, for YouTube's 1920x1080 preset there are 2 bitrates, 10 Mbps and 20 Mps. I guess, somewhere in the thread, Steve has already mentioned that increasing bitrate above a certain threshold does not increase the quality of the video, but does increase the file size. Basically, increasing the bitrate beyond the source clip bitrate will not result in better quality output. But, reducing the bitrate below source bitrate will definitely result in reduced file-size with some compromise with the video quality. This too depends on the subject and contents of the video.

Also, regarding Target and Maximum Bitrate, Target is what is honored while exporting and Maximum is like giving some extra bandwidth if required to algorithm. You can't set Maximum below Target, it can only go beyond Target value.

So, use 1920x1080(either Standard=10Mbps or High=20 Mbps quality) preset when uploading a video to YouTube and if it does not look good finally, you can use Custom/Advanced settings and see how the output video playsw locally and who is the ultimate culprit.

Ann Bens

Community Expert

I would like to comment on the Youtube (and FB/Vimeo) upload.

especially the automatic upload feature they are all wrong.

Bitrate, framerate and audio settings.

This is not the first time I am mentioning this...

Mohammad Tahseen

Adobe Employee

Bitrates, framerates tied to any of the Presets are supposed to work fine and if something is not working as designed then there is a bug. I guess you are talking about the choice of presets shown for YouTube/Facebook/Vimeo which does not cover other important presets such as corresponding to PAL ones. If this is the case, then we are evaluating this for the next version of the product and I can't promise but we will do something to handle that problem.

TimothyDolinschiAuthor

Inspiring

Thank you Willieb, Anne Bens and Steve Grisetti! So I can get the bitrate to 10,000 kbps, which I'm very excited about. And I'll do the output a file you mentioned, Steve, to see how the quality looks. And I think I'll try Anne Bens too, but if you could tell if you were on the Devices Export and how you got there.

And once I test all your guys' methods, I'll tell you what I got and see if I like how it turned out. Also, quick question. On my Canon 70D, what should be my aspect ratio? Some people tell me 16:9, others 1:1, which I'm just bluntly confused on now. And same with if I should shoot Raw + Jpeg (CR2), or should I shoot only Jpeg. If you guys could answer that I would be ecstatic.

And also, I was thinking of getting FilmConvert (for color grading) but PRE doesn't really allow software's to come in. So that brings me to my question, is there any way I can get a somewhat pro software to color grade?

Thank you so much!

Ann Bens

Community Expert

If you use the custom setting also bump the audio its way too low.

If you want to some serious color grading either get Premiere Pro or have a go at Resolve (free)

Ann Bens

Community Expert

I would rather not have a go on Resolve, I had a few issues with them, which is why I got PRE. I just wish I would've known that PRE is limited in color grading, which really disappoints me. There's no way to "return" PRE 15, right?

Also, should I shoot in 16:9 aspect ratio and CR2.? Anyone know?

I am not sure but return with in a month?

Contact Customer Care - Elements

If you want proper color correction/grading you need professional software. Elements is not the tool for that.

williebegoode

Participating Frequently

If you go to "Export & Share" and use "Quick Export" -- after you've done all of your PRE editing--your video will be saved as an .mp4 file, which you can upload to YouTube. (Just drag and drop it into YouTube.) I skip the rendering step in the editor since it will be done using the Export & Share. Once in YouTube, I use the Video Manager -> Enhancements and click Auto-fix and it takes care of the color and light. If I need to stabilize a picture, I also use the YouTube Enhancements -> Stabilize.

Everything else I do in PRE, but in a pinch I'd use the Trim enhancements as well.

Why? A long time ago when I was with the Flash Media Server group, I learned that much of the quality depended on the quirks the serving platform had, and YouTube has done a good job helping to iron out the quirks. It works for me, and so far I've had 28,000 views and 500+ subscribers. I use the built-in camera in my iMac and previously, that in my iPhone. Here's the link to my videos--keep in mind that I'm not a photographer, and while I code, I have no graphic design abilities whatsoever. WatchArtSci - YouTube

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Steve Grisetti

Brainiac

What I'm saying is that there's really no reason to increase push the bitrate way off the charts. For two reasons:

1) What you get on YouTube is going to be re-encoded by YouTube to their streaming bitrate. So you're just uploading a much larger file and getting very little benefit from it; and

2) Pushing the bitrate is, as I explained earlier, the LEAST effective way to get a great-looking output.

I explained above what the more important elements of your workflow are.

But you'll have more control of the quality of your output if you output an MP4 from the program and manually upload to YouTube. If you use the direct upload method from the program, you'll only have so much control.

That said, if you want the best quality output, you need to know if your project settings are matching your video specs (If there was or was not a yellow orange "render" line over the first clip you added to your timeline). That's the single most important factor.

TimothyDolinschiAuthor

Inspiring

Well, thank you for the information, I didn't know YouTube automaticly

places a bitrate to fit it its specifications when re-encoding. Now, you

did mention something about an MP4 output from the program and manually

uploading it to YouTube would result in having more control of the quality,

etc. and if it's not too much to ask for, how do I export as you've stated?

I'm very, very interested to know.

Also, thank you so much for the help/information, it really means a lot.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Steve Grisetti <forums_noreply@adobe.com>

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Steve Grisetti

Brainiac

To output a file, just go to Export & Share/Devices/Computer and select the 1920x1080 resolution and the MP4 format for your output. The bitrate is 15 mbps, but you can move the slider up to 32 mpbs if you'd like. Though in my experience, it won't give you that much higher a quality output but it will increase the size of your file by about 250%.

As I've been saying, the default output settings for a 1920x1080 mp4 should work just fine for online viewing.

Assuming your project settings match your video specs, you'll get excellent upload quality in a nice, compact file, ideal for internet streaming.

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