Beta Override Media Color Space Sony S-Gamut3.Cine, Direct PQ (HDR), Rec. 2100 PQ - EXPORT PROBLEM!!

Report · Aug 30, 2024

Beta Override Media Color Space Sony S-Gamut3.Cine, Direct PQ (HDR), Rec. 2100 PQ - EXPORT PROBLEM!!

Below screenshot shows: Picture in Program Monitor (Right Side: which I spent loads of time editing based on) and a exported frame (Left Side: this is a single frame, but I'm trying to export video too and the whole video looks like this)

I was thinking the export video option labeled "Match Sequence Settings" would work but, every export option I've tried is producing colors like the one on the left.

I need help please. My last post, I posted 1 thread in the Discussion forum, and one in the Beta forum, and instead of just deleting one or the other thread, BOTH were deleted, even though the email for the reasoning I got was "Just add to one thread, don't create two threads"..... REALLY HOPING this doesn't get deleted.

My client is expecting this project done and I need help ASAP PLEASE.

Report · Aug 29, 2024

I need an immediate fix please ASAP.

I didn't know this was a new beta feature until I started messing with it yesterday.
I was so amazed at how awesome my clips looks now for this wedding video I'm doing.

many of my clips have these settings, but some have other settings where I clicked on "Preserve RGB" footage (specifically on my iphone footage)

But I've tried numerous export settings and it keeps coming out like this:

please help ASAP! this client is expecting their video today..... and it's already late. <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

Report · Aug 30, 2024

A few questions will help me help you. It looks like you've chosen an HDR workflow for color management, and you're currently set up to output HDR video with very bright highlights intended for displaying on an HDR display. Is this your intention? In any event, the preset you've chosen for color management is designed to provide a pass through workflow for HDR media, which is why your source media is clipping so badly.

If not, if you are intending to output a regular SDR clip you should try duplicating your sequence for safety, and then changing the Color Setup drop-down menu to Direct Rec.709 (SDR) which will set that sequence to work more similarly to how Premiere Pro has worked in prior versions. Particularly since you're using titles, this would be the safest way to get what you need.

When you do this, all color adjustments you made while using the prior preset will need to be redone, because grades are dependent on the working color space, which is now Rec.709. However, you'll be in a better position to output the video you need.

Hope this helps!

Report · Aug 30, 2024

Additionally, keep in mind that turning Preserve RGB on results in those clips not being color managed. You may get better results from turning Preserve RGB off on these clips, unless you've tested that and decided you prefer the result of suspending color management for those clips. This setting is mainly for people who want to use LUTs to convert their footage instead of the new color management.

Report · Aug 30, 2024

I believe you are looking for this thread. https://community.adobe.com/t5/holding-room-discussions/i-need-help-immediately-beta-feature-new-col...

Please delete this post and continue the conversation in the above thread, since a team member has already reached out and offered assistance. Thank You.

Report · Aug 30, 2024

@jamieclarke - it says access denied and I cannot view that link.

Report · Aug 30, 2024

I just merged the thread to here. Please answer the questions asked by Alexis.

Report · Aug 30, 2024

@Alexis Van Hurkman Okay I will try.

When i convert this footage to rec709, the footage does change, but the clip is still WAY off the mark from that other one.

Also, you mentioned "all color adjustments need to be redone" - that's okay, but I should have let you know that in the original clip, nothing lumetri was changed, except adding a lut in the "creative" tab. All the other color adjustments were made using just these settings here in the dropdowns.

I didn't have to mess with exposure, highlights, anything, the footage came out amazing first go and threw a basic lut on top in creative and BAM, got an image I wanted (viewed from the export monitor) but the exported video itself is just horribly clipped.

You also asked my intention, it to simply deliver a finished video to a client, possibly upload it to youtube and facebook also, but mainly just deliver a video in a google box so they can view it on whatever they want.

How can I achieve the look in an exported video to the one I was aiming for? This Rec709 one is way too bright and lowering exposure, highlights, etc, deosn't come close to what I was expecting....

Like, hear me out here. If I open OBS studio, and were to just record the program monitor, that captured video would be very close to what I want to deliver to the client. So why can't adobe just... I just don't understand...

Report · Aug 30, 2024

Made a short video describing the issue a bit better hopefully.

https://youtu.be/o32QMcIKcYY

Report · Aug 30, 2024

HI @default6g0k7me9sj4z - Do you have "Loudness Normalization" checked under effects in your export settings? Also, I noticed you are using a third party plugin, If you hold down "SHIFT" while opening premiere and select the checkbox "disable third party plugins". Do you get the same result when you export?

Report · Aug 30, 2024

Thanks for reply! I tried turning off plugins and plugin cache. The export issue still just the same as before. Good idea though, as turning off plugins has helped with issues in the past. Just not this particular one.

Report · Aug 30, 2024

What build are you working on you can find the information in the about premiere. Would you be able to send me one of these files and your project, so that I can try and repro. You can send a link to jamiec@adobe.com

Report · Aug 30, 2024

Okay sure I'll send it over now

Report · Aug 30, 2024

HI @default6g0k7me9sj4z - On your export settings can you make sure the switch for "Effects" is Off and let us know if that helps your issue.

Report · Aug 30, 2024

I just tested exporting with the effects tab off. The export remains still super blown or clipped.

Report · Aug 30, 2024

One thing I just noticed, not sure if it matters, maybe it does?

I have the same clip here in my sequence, but it is cut.

I was using a lut inserted in the creative tab of lumetri. I took them off for this demonstration and when I went to look at it just now, I noticed this grayed-out box. I notice it's different "color space"...? But the settings of that clip are identitcal when I go to the settings tab instead of edit.

Report · Aug 30, 2024

In your export screen please select fomat "Quicktime" and then make sure "Effects" and "Metadata" switches are off. I am able to export what you see in your timeline with those settings.

Report · Aug 30, 2024

With these settings?

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Yes correct.

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With these export settings? because I tried these settings, same issue.

Report · Aug 30, 2024

I see you are exporting as HDR and I was exporting as Rec 709.

If you are grading in HDR you really need to enable "Display Color Management" and "Extended Dynamic Range Monitoring."

Report · Aug 30, 2024

I've watched your video, and the first piece of advice I would give you is to change the output color space to Rec.709. Even if you like the results you're getting using the Direct HLG (HDR) preset, what you want is an SDR signal, not an HDR signal, and having the output color space set to Rec.2100 is likely messing you up, as it's what's allowing the clipping to happen (in order to output HDR).

Additionally, however, what's really making your footage look better is you retagging it to identify the media color space of each clip (which you can do in batch in the Project Browser selecting multiple clips and using Modify > Color). However, if you want your renders to match your output, you shouldn't change from the Direct Rec.709 preset, that's still the appropriate preset for the SDR output you want.

The HLG preset may show more vibrant colors, but it's allowing signal ranges that cannot be output to Rec.709, so using that setting is what's causing your probem. It's really for outputting HDR. That said, if you've already set up your sequence this way, changing the output color space will tone map everything back down to Rec.709 levels, but you'll likely notice that the output becomes similar to what the Direct 709 preset would have given you, which is correct.

The purpose of the presets is to set up color management to correctly transform and normalize all of your media to the neutral state your camera produced, not to make it look different or "better" (that's what Lumetri is for).

My advice is to stick to the default Direct Rec.709 preset, make sure all of your clips are tagged correctly using Override Media Color Space, don't turn on Preserve RGB for any of your clips (unless you're assigning an input LUT to those clips), and make sure your output color space is set to Rec.709. You can go ahead and customize the input tone mapping and input gamut compression settings of each sequence clip to taste, that's what those settings are for, but leave the Color setup preset to Direct Rec.709.

At that point, adding a creative LUT in Lumetri should work fine, and if you want any particular clip to be more saturated, use the other Lumetri controls.

Report · Aug 31, 2024

My question @Alexis Van Hurkman is, what is the output of my OBS Record settings? It is NVENC, H.264. and Rec. 709.

What do I mean by this? Well, my OBS is recording in Rec 709 color space, a picture of the program monitor.
The OBS recording, IE the video you watched, is in rec 709. You can clearly see in my rec 709 video that you watched, is correctly showing the correct look in my program monitor. So I cannot agree with you saying that "The HLG preset may show more vibrant colors, but it's allowing signal ranges that cannot be output to Rec.709, so using that setting is what's causing your probem. It's really for outputting HDR." Because, again, my OBS rec709 footage IS SHOWING the frequency ranges in the final OBS recording.

So as much as I'd like to go back and color correct allllll of my footage manually with lumetri panel, manually adjusting the colors, highlights, hues, I love this new feature you guys put in with the conversion luts, and I really do think this is either a BUG or an export setting issue on my end, and not "because my timeline cannot be exported in those frequency ranges...." because otherwise I wouldn't be able to show you a rec709 video recording OF my program monitor showcasing HDR footage... My OBS footage would also be blown out when you tried to watch it, but no, you watched it just fine, in rec709, and all the colors in the video you watched were the correct color frequencies.

If this is a serious roadblock in premiere, couldn't it be coded in a way where I could just record the Program monitors output? That's essentially what I did with obs, which I keep hearing from multiple sources now that HDR footage cannot be in rec 709 color space....?

Report · Aug 31, 2024

@jamieclarkeI noticed when I click on "Display Color Management" the program monitor now shows me what is getting exported. I think maybe a bug is occurring in which premiere isn't checking to see if that box is ticked or unticked on export stage, and assumes it's on the entire time.