Discuss: New way to control how label colors and clip names are displayed in the timeline

Adobe Employee ,
Mar 31, 2021 Mar 31, 2021

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New in Premiere Pro Beta 15.2 (Build 9) is a refined workflow for controlling how label colors and clip names are displayed in the timeline. Previously you could use a checkbox in the Project settings called “Display the project item name and label color for all instances” to control if your timeline clips used their own independent name and label color or matched the source clip in the Project panel. Now, this option has been removed from the Project Settings and can be found as a view option in the wrench menu in the Timeline panel called “Show Source Clip Name and Label”.


This change means you can easily toggle this view setting via a keyboard shortcut. Additionally, if you are working in a Production you now have a way to control this setting and decide if you want your clip name and label colors to be unique to the timeline, or reflect the source clips.


Let us know how this feature is working for you!

 

 

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May 06, 2021 May 06, 2021

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Jarle is correct.  .mogrt names should not sync the same as regular clips since they're different.

 

Why should users be forced to choose between:

1. unsynced clip names + properly named .mogrts

or

2. synced clip names + messed up .mogrt names?

 

Why can't we benefit from having both synced clip names + properly named .mogrts at the same time?

 

If you really feel that .mogrts should appear with their parent's (i.e. source's) name when syncing is turned on, then perhaps a work around would be to show both names:

Parent .mogrt: Title 1

Child 1: "Title 1" renamed to "Relevant Title 1"

Show Source Clip Name and Label turned ON

Child 1: name appears in Timeline as "Title 1 > Relevant Title 1" (with only the second part of the title being editable)

Show Source Clip Name and Label turned OFF

Child 1: name once again appears in Timeline as just "Relevant Title 1"

 

Would something like this be possible?  What do you think Jarle and Neil?

 

The idea that users should need to turn syncing on/off regularly is foolish IMO.  Syncing options should be logical and flexible enough to be a set it and leave it thing users rarely if ever need to change after they set it to their preference. 

 

BTW, calling the new option "Show Source Clip name and Label" might be confusing to some since the option doesn't just show the source clip's name and label, it also syncronizes changes made in the Timeline back to the Project window.  The old checkbox had a tooltip.  I suggest adding a tooltip to the new option as well, that clearly explains how it works, including changes made in the Timeline syncing back to the Project window.

Syncing Tooltip.jpg

 

 

Regarding the current all or nothing approach:

1. nothing synced

2. everything synced

...rather than giving us the flexibility to choose:

1. clip names synced, labels unsynced

2. clip names unsynced, labels synced

 

...if the Pr team's argument is that no one is asking for that functionality, I would counter argue that perhaps it's because the checkbox was so well hidden prior to v15.3, most users don't even know about it, so how could they possibly ask for it to work better?  With the much better location of the syncing checkbox in v15.3 Beta, I can see a lot more people learning about it and getting frustrated with the inflexible all-or-nothing approach and the issue of renaming .mogrts.

 

 

 

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May 06, 2021 May 06, 2021

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I think it would be better to switch the order of the name sections.

 

So the Child 1 name appears in Timeline as "Relevant Title 1 (Title 1)".
This would show the custom name first, which would be better in most cases IMO.

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May 06, 2021 May 06, 2021

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Putting our minds together always comes to the best solution Jarle!  "Relevant Title 1 (Title 1)" works fine for me.

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Aug 01, 2021 Aug 01, 2021

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I am confused. The wrench toggle works nothing like the old checkbox.

 

Now, tf I go to label one instance of a clip in my timeline green, every other instance of that source clip on my timeline turns green. If I go to the wrench and toggle off "show label" then none of the instances show the label anymore. (BTW, the source name stays up either way). 

 

But apparently, totally gone is the possibility to make one single clip on a timeline a different color from the other clips in the timeline, regardless of whether they are from the same source. That is what unchecking the old box used to accomplish. And that functionality seems to be gone from premiere.

 

Can someone explain how I can go back to taking one clip, or a chunk of selected clips, on my timeline and changing their color without changing every instance? This is a big part of my workflow. Thanks in advance. 

 

 

 

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Community Beginner ,
Aug 01, 2021 Aug 01, 2021

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This checkbox works exactly as expected on my end, it's identical to the original checkbox hidden in the menus.

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Adobe Employee ,
Aug 02, 2021 Aug 02, 2021

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@wondtacular By default the wrench checkbox "Show Source Clip Name and Label" is off. This means when you cut a clip into a timeline it has the same name and label color as the source clip, but it is not linked. You can change the name or label and it does not affect the source clip in the bin. 

 

If you then turn on the Show Source Clip Name and Label option, the clip will revert to the name and label of the source clip in the bin. In this state, changing the name or label in the bin or in the timeline will effect the other as well.

 

If you then turn off the option, the timeline clips will revert back to whatever state you left them in last time the option was off. 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Aug 02, 2021 Aug 02, 2021

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Thanks for the clarification, Matt.

 

Neil

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Community Beginner ,
Dec 23, 2021 Dec 23, 2021

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Hi,

Did I miss something?

The feature Show source clip name and label is not visible nor in project settings nor in the wrench menu,..

 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Dec 23, 2021 Dec 23, 2021

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That looks like you're not seeing the full list, there should be another couple/three up at the top I think. Huh.

 

Neil

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Jan 01, 2022 Jan 01, 2022

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Nope, I see the full list,.. 

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Adobe Employee ,
Jan 20, 2022 Jan 20, 2022

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@antoinev11989251 Is this still the case for you with the latest updates? Could you let me know which version and build you are using? Thank you.

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Jan 21, 2022 Jan 21, 2022

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LATEST

15.2.0 is not showing the option

22.0 is working

 

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Jan 19, 2022 Jan 19, 2022

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This only works for overwrite and insert - it doesn't work for copying and pasting, which is a huge issue for the project I'm on now. I'm searching via the transcription feature and copying and pasting parts into another sequence. I'm having to change my custom label colors back every time I paste. NOT HELPFUL - PLEASE FIX. This was not an issue in the previous version when I could check "display the project item name and label color for all instances."

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Jan 20, 2022 Jan 20, 2022

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@sarahg44467382 I'm sorry I don't follow the problem you're describing. Could you share some more detail or steps of what you're doing and what you are expecting to happen, but is not happening? Thank you.

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