FX badge color code missing in new clip redesign

[Ann Bens]

Been mucking about with this, but

I do miss the color code (gray, green yellow, purple)

I used them to see in a glance if an effect was applied or not.

Now I have to mouse over the FX badge as they all have the same color

Or make sure the ECP is open and clip is selected.

Or am I missing something here............

[R Neil Haugen]

Many of the changes of the last version are, for most work, pretty amazing, such as the new color management options. Very much "worth the price of admission".

However, some things, like the changes to the fx badge, both the colors and moving it to the tail end of the clip, are pretty horrific for many of us.

Yes, this one is very frustrating. And does not get less so over time. PERIOD. And yes, I'm shouting.

[lehestro]

Just want to add my name to those clamoring for the original color-coded FX badges. I'm not sure what the thinking was in redoing them. All for sleek GUIs and whatnot, but what we editors really want is more functionality, not less. Functionality and workflow trumps everything.

[ScottSimmons]

I'm going to add my 2¢ to this thread as I very much miss the color coding on the FX badges. A shortsighted backwards step in the application. 

The silence from Adobe on this is deafening. 

[Tom_edit]

The silence is deafening but is it really a shock... same company that locked the thread about rounded corners because people were heavily against it but they knew they weren't going to roll it back. Starting to feel like every update is specifically catered to appeal to the masses as much as possible while throwing general logic and workflow out the window

[R Neil Haugen]

Actually, that thread was locked because they already had changed the look in the public beta. Minimizing the roundness by quite a bit. Which was the then-correct place to continue that discussion. And a few people were getting way outta line in a public discussion over something that had already been changed.

Now understand, to me the change in the Fx badge was horrid. Period. I don't like it, and find it reduced the speed of usability I used to get from that badge.

However, I do recognize that I am not "everyone" ... and that although many of those who agree with me are rather vocal, there are a lot of people that prefer the change. And probably a lot more than either of those two groups, that simply don't care because they never paid attention to the thing.

Yes, I want it changed. But I am only one user ... as are any of us. Keep that in mind please. Be respectful of others and that we all work differently.

[Tom Fewchuk]

"There are a lot of people that prefer the change"

Who prefers the change? Who have you talked to and what numbers of people are you referencing?

[R Neil Haugen]

I know a number of people personally who have adapted and like it. Which I would assume would happen.

Being as I never assume anyone else works like me, I find that actually an expectation.

Lose the idea that there is some "normal" way most everyone will see something. There isn't. Which is a most fascinating part of attending something like NAB.

Everyone's mileage always varies. Period.

It's the same for the changes to the color scheme for Premiere. On the pro Facebook Premiere page, several other curmudgeons were outraged. We were all posting about how awful it was.

And they then tried the "vibrant" option, which was obviously even more blatantly stupid and horrible. Just to post how awful it was.

But ... um ... they found it interesting  ... tweaked the colors a bit, and instead of hating it, which they had intended, they posted that they loved it and had just made their modified vibrant scheme their main working look.

Personally I was still outraged, but ... they weren't.

Another thing ... the people that fit into either the "I don't care one way or the other" or "that's actually nice" groups don't post on forums. 

Those of us who are annoyed make 90% of the posts.

[Tom_edit]

Those of us who are annoyed make 90% of the posts

This really isn't always the case at all. When we're talking about giant companies like adobe a lot of people won't come to the forums for multiple other reasons; they don't feel like their opinion will be heard anyway so what's the point, they simply don't use forums at all and wouldn't even know how best to participate, they simply don't have the time in their work schedule to keep up to date with beta versions or just forums in general, or they just think "someone else will do it".

My entire edit team dislikes both discussed changes, none of them would ever come here, it's just not in their nature.

Your entire post however I feel misses the point. These changes made to premiere are posted here specifically for feedback, the feedback given has been overwhelmingly negative (a lot of emotions were thrown out as well though I definitely agree there), adobe however still silently trots along or gives weird or vague reasonings for why they're making changes. That's the point. It just disincentivises people to give their opinions going forward when it just feels like you're talking to a brick wall. I had to literally dm an adobe employee on reddit of all places to get the invisible edit point bug fixed after 25.1 launched. I flagged it months prior when it first appeared. I know it's impossible for adobe to see/catch everything, but it's far from the only example. People get rightfully cranky because changes like the two mentioned here have sweeping effects on people's jobs and when feedback falls on deaf ears and no options are given you're essentially being told "tough". It sucks, my job is now harder for no reason and there's literally nothing I can do about it. The rounded corners example you gave strengthens my point more than anything, there were plenty of valid criticisms against the change, they made 1 change to the radius (which really hasn't fixed most of the issues people actually have with said change) then completely vanished from the discussion. The same pretty much happened with this change too.

Adobe is a software company making programs aimed at professionals. Professionals tend to like the ability to customise things to their needs - a lot of the recent changes however have felt very apple in approach, "This is the way now." and that will always come with abbrasion, especially from the group of people that have been doing this for decades and especially when no options/customisations are given regarding said changes. The recent UI changes are w/e and not that big of a deal, the rounded corners really could (and should) be a toggle - I can't imagine most would care if rounded stays default for example as long as those that are inclined can disable them, and the fx badge is the most confusing of all because you realistically could just fuse the old/new versions and have the best of both worlds but instead we end up with a complete regression in functionality.

In my opinion a lot of recent changes from adobe have felt very geared towards the masses, which isn't always a bad thing to be fair, but, I think the things they have chosen to change really just feels like a slap in the face to people that actually just need to get work done (which is the whole point of "professional" software). I know professionals at this point in premiere's lifespan are the complete and utter minority, I get it's just that tough pill of capitalism to swallow, that doesn't make it just suck any less and it won't really stop people from getting rather rightfully frustrated with the program they have to spend 38h+ a week using. I really can't blame people for getting upset, I do agree they need to chill out, but I also get it and understand it's human nature to a degree.

Maybe this is all just me and I'm wrong for feeling this way, idk, but just my 2c really. Nothing against you btw or really anything you've said, nothing here from me is personal

[R Neil Haugen]

Hey, I totally understand. I looked at the rounded corner thing and immediately thought really, why did you think this was necessary? And truth be told, on many UI things like that and this, my preference is give us a toggle for either behavior.

That of course would add much complexity and length to the code if every UI thing had toggled options ... but at least on the major ones, it would be useful.

The Fx badge change is to me a total ... absolute ... WTF???!!!! ... but that said, I have had messages and conversations with people who either liked it ... which to me is just weird but everybody's different so ok ... or in many cases they never ever used the FX badge functionality before anyway.

And for some people the only problem was putting it so close to the end of the clip that it messed up trimming/slipping operations and using the 'spiffy' new audio crossfade thing. So they just turn the badge off, Life is GOOD!

But then, I had to work without the fantastic Direct Link to SpeedGrade for color correction since the end of the 2015 Premiere cycle, so I've adapted to even worse things than this mess. Ah well.

[lehestro]

Yeah I’d be interested to know as well.

We’ve presented many reasons against here. I’d be keen to know reasons for.
Not looking to live in an echo chamber. Getting some insight into what the
reasoning is for this, or why people are happy with it would be helpful and
illuminating.

Right now I’m struggling to see the logic of it, except for some vague
notion of “modern interface.” I don’t meant that snidely. I’m just confused
by it.

[R Neil Haugen]

It has been discussed and even explained at some length by the devs.  Both in an original announcement when it first appeared in the public beta, and in discussions there and here.

They feel that 1) not that many payed attention to the Fx badges as they were and 2) what they came up with was a vastly extended capability. As if you right-click on it now, you open a panel with the applied effects.

Groovy, I suppose.

But for those of us used to glancing at it to see what's been worked on it's a great loss of that function. Ann, myself, and obviously some others were in the group that actually used them before.

[MyerPj]

Like the UI font-size / console this feature is  used more than had been thought.

[Ann Bens]

Like the UI font-size / console this feature is  used more than had been thought.

By MyerPj

Adobe held a poll on the FB group for the fx badges.

Quite a few professionals did not know what it was or never used it.

Adobe might have set this as criteria to remove the feature.

But I do not think the FB group is a good representative for all users.

Any way: my experience is once a feature has been taken out, it will never come back.

As far as I am concerned, they can take out this new feature also: completely useless.

The console was not a feature but a workaround

[MyerPj]

By Ann Bens
Any way: my experience is once a feature has been taken out, it will never come back.

When I rewrote my software from Old  Windows to Windows 7+ I made sure all the old features were available, but in the new way. Some took a bit longer than others, so they were added a little later. Right now, I'm thinking this new UI method Adobe is working with, it maybe easier but not as flexible. Lighting up a simple text element in different colors seems so easy? Even the placement, at the head of the clip where it used to be, but now at the tail? Is that hard to accomplish? If so, I question the new UI method Adobe is using. Still this version is working well for me.

[Ann Bens]

I'm going to add my 2¢ to this thread as I very much miss the color coding on the FX badges. A shortsighted backwards step in the application. 

The silence from Adobe on this is deafening. 

By ScottSimmons

On the FB group, one Dev would look into this: and that was it............

[tiagoliko]

Anyone else noticing this issue with track heights?

When you minimize track heights to the lowest size, you can't see where the cuts are anymore. That doesn't feel like a design choice—it feels like a mistake.

The bigger issue (and why I’m posting this here in the FX badge thread) is that when you zoom out and reduce track heights, the FX badge keeps triggering the effects panel instead of just letting me select the clip. Super frustrating.

I get that premiere is revamping its UI to keep up with competition, but now we’re running into quirks that weren’t there before. Hopefully these get ironed out because Premiere still has huge potential in AI integration and workspace customizability compare to other NLEs.

That said, if Adobe locks panels in place like Davinci, I’m gonna lose it. (At least AI lets me code my own premiere pro extensions now, which is pretty cool.)

Anyone else running into this?

[Tom_edit]

Yes the issue with edit points being invisible at min track heights has been fixed in the 25.2 beta

[tiagoliko]

amazing! good to know, thanks Tom.

[TotallyToby]

Just updated from Premiere Pro 2023 V23.3.0 to try out the latest Premiere Pro version (V25.1.0) and while I like some of the changes, removing the FX Badge colour is a deplorable decision from Adobe. It's crap like this that makes me want to stick with 2023. Makes me wonder why I bother paying for this software sometimes. 

[R Neil Haugen]

It's a bit of clap-shoot. 

There are some amazing, needed, and powerful upgrades to capabilities such as the new color management process. Which is a stunning one-version updgrade.

But ... the durn Fx badge thing is a total pain, and while some find the 'new capabilities' there useful, it's a total pain to others of us.

But in all, 25.x is a huge upgrade. Sigh.