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Text Panel Enhancements (Part 2): Assemble Rough Cuts from Transcripts

Adobe Employee ,
Aug 02, 2022 Aug 02, 2022

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As you saw in my earlier post about text panel enhancements, transcripts are becoming more central in editing workflows. Starting today in Premiere Pro (Beta) you can create rough cut edits from selected Text passages.

 

To start, you can generate transcripts of your footage in the background when you import your media. Alternatively, you can generate transcripts from the Text panel after your project has been created. Either way, the Sequence transcript panel dynamically syncs with your Timeline: as you make changes in your Sequence transcript, the Timeline will reflect your changes – and vice versa.

 

My colleagues and I created some starter footage for you, as well as a tutorial so you can try it out. If you tend to do all of your editing in a Sequence, follow the guidelines below and/or watch this tutorial. If you tend to do three-point (Source) editing, follow the guidelines below and/or watch this tutorial.

 

Sequence Editing Workflow

  • Download the four videos from the Five Questions video assets folder
  • Open Premiere Pro (Beta -23.0x006 or higher) and create a new project
  • In the Import screen
    • Import "Kerstin interview"
    • Turn on Automatic Transcription and make sure “Create new sequence” is checked. (Note: You can turn on and off automatic transcription in Preferences -> Transcription -> Automatically transcribe clips on import.)
    • Make sure language is set to English
    • Click "Create"
  • In Edit view, open the Progress Panel (Window -> Progress). This will allow you to see transcription progress.
  • The clip should be in your new sequence
  • Click on the Transcript tab in the Text Panel
  • Click “Transcribe sources.” This setting allows your Timeline and Transcript to stay in sync.
  • Use the Search box in the Transcript panel for the word "what." This will allow you to see where the questions are in the video 
  • For the first question, highlight everything from "I had a piece of that cake a while ago" until she says "Second question."  
  • Click the In/Out point at the top of the Transcript panel. You should see that section of the video highlighted with In/Out points in the Program Monitor
  • Delete the highlighted section using the "Extract" button in the Program Monitor.
  • Go through the rest of the transcript and cut it down to a simple Q&A highlights reel. Have Kerstin state the question and a simple answer, but delete extraneous information. For example, have her say her favorite karaoke song but exclude detail on what makes it a great karaoke song.  
    • If you wish to have Premiere automatically set In/Out points around any selected text, go to the dropdown menu in the text panel and select "Set In/Out around selections."
  • Play back your sequence. You should have one sequence with five questions and simple answers.
  • Play back your clip and check for any issues.
  • Try it with your own projects!

 

Three Point (Source) Editing Workflow

  • Download the four interview videos from the Five Questions video assets folder
  • Open Premiere Pro (Beta - 23.0x006 or higher) and import the four videos to your Desktop or other preferred folder
  • Create a new project 
  • In the Import screen
    • Check the boxes next to all four videos
    • Turn on Automatic transcription (Note: You can turn on and off automatic transcription in Preferences -> Transcription -> Automatically transcribe clips on import.)
    • Make sure “Create new sequence” is unchecked
    • Make sure language is set to English
    • Click "Create"
  • In Edit view, open the Progress Panel (Window -> Progress). This will allow you to see transcription progress.
    • Pro Tip: Set up your windows so that Text Panel, Source Monitor, and Program Monitor are side by side.
  • Create a new sequence (File-> New -> Sequence). Name the sequence "Karaoke"
  • Double-click on any clip in the Properties Panel
  • Click on the Transcript tab in the Text Panel
  • Click on the “Source” tab to keep the source transcript in view
  • Search the transcript for the word “karaoke.”
  • Select the question and answer and click the In/Out point at the top of the Transcript panel. You should see that section of the video highlighted in the Source Monitor
  • Use the Insert button in the Source Monitor (or comma (,) keyboard shortcut) to insert the selection into the timeline.
  • Do the same thing for the four remaining source clips
    • If you wish to have Premiere automatically set In/Out points around any selected text, go to the dropdown menu in the text panel and select "Set In/Out around selections."
  • Play back your sequence. You should have one sequence with five people answering the same question.
  • Switch to Sequence view in the Transcript tab
  • Click “Transcribe sources.” This setting allows your Timeline and Transcript to stay in sync.
  • If there are any extraneous words in your sequence, highlight those words and click the In/Out point at the top of the Transcript panel. You should see in/out points selected in your Timeline panel.
  • Delete the words and associated subclip with the Extract (apostrophe (‘) keyboard shortcut in the Program Monitor.
  • Play back your clip and check for any issues.
  • Try it with your own projects!

 

Stay tuned, because we have more coming this year

  • Document style text editing: Use Cmd+X/Cmd+V and Delete to edit your tracks from the Text panel.
  • Range selection: Select a sub-clip on a single track using text. We know that In/Out points + ripple delete affects all tracks in your sequence and deletion isn’t helpful if you have B-roll, music, etc.
  • Language detection: Set your language preferences in Preferences -> Transcription for now. The ability to detect language on import will reduce a click, and can be helpful when you are working on a project that includes multiple languages.
  • Search Source footage for key moments

 

We would love to hear from you

  • How is the performance of automatic transcription when you have hours of files? Please share your system specs + the number of hours of source footage you are transcribing.
  • When working with your own footage, are you mostly editing the Sequence Transcript, Source Transcript, or a mix of both?
  • Are there any moments where the UI or descriptions feel unintuitive?
  • How well do the timing of the cuts work?
  • For non-English languages: Are there any languages or dialect problems, e.g. problems selecting text, editing word boundaries, etc?
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Aug 02, 2022 Aug 02, 2022

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All I can say is wow and I'm looking forward to trying this out when it final appears on the CC app.

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Aug 03, 2022 Aug 03, 2022

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It's live now!

 

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Aug 02, 2022 Aug 02, 2022

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Will we have the ability to transcribe source clips even if we choose not to go through the Import window?

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Aug 03, 2022 Aug 03, 2022

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Yes, you will be able to enable it throughPreferences -> Transcription -> Automatically transcribe clips on import

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Aug 03, 2022 Aug 03, 2022

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Awesome! Look forward to trying this out and testing it.

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Community Beginner ,
Sep 20, 2022 Sep 20, 2022

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will there be also the opportunity to select multiple clips after import to start transcription? Like Clip / Genearte Audio Waveforms? You may don't need to transcript all clips you import.

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Aug 02, 2022 Aug 02, 2022

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@TeresaDemel 

 

I just watched both videos, and credit where credit is due - this is a fantastic update and wonderful follow through from you and the rest of the Premiere team who've worked on this. I've said it before, but being able to perform three point edits with source-linked transcriptions, in my opinion, will be one of the most substantive "game changing" workflow enhancements that Premiere Pro (and NLEs outright) have seen in quite some time.

 

I'll make a point to download the beta once the v23 build rolls out to me and run some previous interviews I shot through it and will pass along any notable findings - but until then - kudos and thank you!

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Aug 03, 2022 Aug 03, 2022

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Thank you! And apologies for the delay on the update. 

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Aug 03, 2022 Aug 03, 2022

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It is live now!

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Aug 04, 2022 Aug 04, 2022

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Liking the new transcribe functionality after initial testing. There's a few things I would like to see added if possible. The ability to map keyboard shortcuts to Set In/Out points around selections. A preference setting you can toggle where after you Set In/Out points around selection it instantly goes to the Source or Program monitors. Right now, I have to either click or use a keybind to get to those monitors.

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Adobe Employee ,
Aug 08, 2022 Aug 08, 2022

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Thank you for your feedback!

You can automatically set In/Out points around your text selection: click on the "..." menu in the top right corner of the Text panel and select "Set In/Out around selections". This will automatically set the In/Out points in either Source or Program monitor (depending on whether you are working in a source transcript or a sequence transcript) whenever you select text in your transcript.

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Community Beginner ,
Aug 09, 2022 Aug 09, 2022

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Transkription to Source-Clips will be very powerful! Thanks for this. I remember this was feature in older Versions of Premiere (long time ago) an I missed it in the meantime. 

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Aug 09, 2022 Aug 09, 2022

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This seems like a great improvement to Premiere. I currently use multi-camera interview footage that I sync into a new sequence using Plural Eyes. Will the Transcribe Source feature support that workflow? Currently, I end up with a raw interview sequence that I transcribe for internal purposes and to share with the subject. After editing the sequence into a finished project, I have to re-transcribe for captioning purposes. Thanks for these updates!

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Adobe Employee ,
Aug 10, 2022 Aug 10, 2022

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Hi Robert, thanks for your question. I just checked out Plural Eyes so my knowledge is limited on that. If you run the sync on the clips in your sequence and then transcribe, it should work today. You can either run transcription on a single track or on the mix. Either way it should work. Let me know if I'm missing something from the Plural Eyes workflow (e.g. it syncs source footage prior to doing 3-point editing).  

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Aug 11, 2022 Aug 11, 2022

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Great progress team! I am a long time Premiere user (started using it to make conference videos 20 years ago), but I don't use it often (maybe twice a year or so).  For transparency, I work at Adobe, so you can reach out to me directly for debuging.

 

Here is my feedback:
  • I didn’t see the transcription option as part of import. I'm not sure I looked at any of the option in the panel on the right.
  • Why did I have to transcribe twice - once on import and again in the Text panel? It seems like I should just be able to do it once.
  • I imported two files - Mary talking and Kerstin talking and tried to interleave their answers so that each would answer the same question before moving on to the next one. So I had two clips in my sequence - one of Mary and one of Kerstin. I wanted to interleave their introductions to start.
  • I followed the instructions in this webpage. I couldn't follow this instruction: Delete the highlighted section using the “Extract” button in the Program Monitor. I wasn't sure where this button was located. So I used Apple help to search for it and found it as a menu. When I clicked Extract the video was edited but the text interface didn’t reflect that I had cut out some content. I think this must be a bug. 
  • I actually didn't notice that I had run into a bug at first and went on to find other pieces but then because the text didn’t reflect my sequence any longer I could no longer use it to select the right parts and gave up. 
  • I also got a crashing bug on import and tried to submit it through the file this bug button but then I couldn't log into Jira and so I didn't file it.

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Aug 12, 2022 Aug 12, 2022

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Thanks, Mira for trying this out! You bring up a great question in bullet #2 and I would love for others to share their preferences here.

 

Why did I have to transcribe twice - once on import and again in the Text panel? It seems like I should just be able to do it once.

 

There are two transcription modes for a sequence:

  1. Transcribe all source footage and have the source transcript sync with the timeline transcript.
  2. Transcribe the sequence and "break" the relationship between the source and sequence. 

 

The second type of transcription is what happens in our existing system (July '21 - now), where users would transcribe at the end of their workflow in order to caption the final video. Potentially users want to have a "fixed" transcript in order to have some assurance that the transcript won't change. 

 

However, the first type of transcription will still allow for captioning. 

 

I would love to hear from the crowd here: Can we eliminate the second option or are there use cases where having a choice is important? 

 

Regarding the discoverability of "Extract" (and I assume "Insert") -> Those issues will likely be remedied once we have more Word doc-like keyboard shortcuts. Your comment about those being unfamiliar and difficult to find is representative of users that don't tend to hang out in our Beta forum! So thanks!

 

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Aug 22, 2022 Aug 22, 2022

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Hi Teresa

 

this is an awesome feature and I am about to dive in to test it. It is one of the holy grails. 

I have a very large production/ project with maybe 80 interviews thst I have distributed across multiple projects within one production and for which I have already cut "sync pulls" or "sync selects" with the intention of using those sequences as my master sources, probably using pancake editing. These sequences are already transcribed (initially last year using the old method) and act as an intermediate stage in my workflow. 

I am hoping that I am going to be able to use text from those sequence transcriptions as my source text for making a rough cut/paper edit but as they are across multiple sequences wonder if this is going to be easy?

Whatever the answer/outcome to this question, I would say keep the second, older method anway. 

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Aug 24, 2022 Aug 24, 2022

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Hi alexs,

 

If I understand correctly, you want to pull in a transcribed sequence and copy/paste from original sequence to a new sequence via pancake editing. How would you want to do this? 

  1. Would you want to highlight text in original sequence and drag the highlighted text to the new sequence? 
  2. Would you want to highlight text in the original sequence and "Insert" the highlighted text into the new sequence?
  3. Would you want to highlight text in the original sequence and copy/paste into the timeline of the new sequence?

 

Regarding keeping the older method, is the main concern that you have already transcribed it and you don't want to transcribe it again (e.g. due to performance issues)? 

 

Thanks so much for your feedback!

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Aug 24, 2022 Aug 24, 2022

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Regarding the older method - transcription accuracy is not great,
especially with non-native speakers. I spend hours editing the
transcription to get it accurate for use in captions for raw interview
output. When I cut and use aspects of the interview, I don’t want to have
to re-transcribe or recreate captions. Those edits should follow the cut /
paste/ insert to a new sequence, however it is done.--

Robert Knight <>
Associate Professor of Art
<>, Hamilton
College
Director, NYC Program
<>,
Fall 2021

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Aug 23, 2022 Aug 23, 2022

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Really love you're including this in Premiere. My feedback is specifically targeted at 3 Point Source Editing.

 

It seems a shame now we have 'Set In/Out around selections' that we have to leave the Text Panel to edit to the timeline. Working through a long transcript would be so much quicker if we didn't need to keep switching to the Source Window. Instead, one hand would make text selections and the other keyboard commands for insert/overwrite.

 

Another thing it'd be great to see is a way to speed up stringouts. Was thinking you could include a special command like an ellipsis in the Search panel. Something to instruct Pr to select the whole of a question - i.e. "Start of question ... end of question".

 

With every take in the transcript highlighted an additional command (Edit Multiple selections?) could be added which would edit every take into the timeline. Stringouts made simple!

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Aug 24, 2022 Aug 24, 2022

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Thanks, DJP! 

If I understand correctly, would you want to do the following? 

  1. Open up transcript for Source Clip #1
  2. Select dialog for a take (or part of a take)
  3. Insert dialog /take into sequence
  4. Select matching takes in Source Clip #2, Source Clip #3, etc using Sensei magic
  5. Insert all selections into sequence. Instant stringout!

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Aug 25, 2022 Aug 25, 2022

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Not quite, see if this makes sense...

 

1. Open up transcript for Source Clip #1

2. Search dialog for the whole take using new elipsis functionality. In this example the search query would be: "My name... Lynch". Current behaviour already highlights every take, no Sensei magic required.

3. New command would insert 3x highlighted selections into sequence. Instant stringout!

 

Screenshot 2022-08-25 at 16.24.38.png

 

When the take i'm interested in spans multiple clips I'd simply nest them and use that as the Source Clip in stage 1. *Making sure before inserting them into the sequence that 'individual clips' was selected in the timeline to avoid inserting the nest instead of the clip.Screenshot 2022-08-25 at 17.28.20.png

 

 

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Aug 28, 2022 Aug 28, 2022

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This looks fantastic!  I'll report back after testing it out.

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Adobe Employee ,
Sep 05, 2022 Sep 05, 2022

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Hi Joseph,

can you please walk me through the steps you followed when running into this bug? Were you editing text in a source clip transcript or in a sequence transcript? In which beta build are you seeing this?

 

Thanks,

Kerstin

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