Apply transition without change clips duration

[Crisc1]

I come from another video editing program. Is it possible to insert a transition between two clips without changing their duration? For example: clip1 is 10 seconds, clip2 is 15 seconds. Between the two clips, I want to add a 5-second transition, and the total duration of the two clips with the transition should be 20 seconds. I can currently achieve this by placing one clip on track V1 and another on track V2, overlaying them by 5 seconds, and applying the transition. I would like to achieve the same result on a single track.

Thanks

[Peru Bob]

Just cut 2 1/2  seconds off each clip at the transition point and then place them on the same track and add the transition.

[Crisc1]

Thank you Bob for your replay, I apreciate.

Ok, I can add some time for each clip but I can't realize why there is not an option. Imagine, I cut a clip before a bike jump (end point) then I cut the second clip (other angle) at the jump already started. I put a dissolve and... I see 2.5 sec of first clip...

So I shold know before the dissolve/transition duration and then adjust the clips in order to have correct transition!?!

The only solution is to work with multiple track...

[Ann Bens]

If you dont want to see the 2,5 sec of the first clip you need to trim back the first clip 2,5 seconds befor adding the transition

[Crisc1]

It  is strange, for me don't work.

I have a time code clip 0 to 10 second. 

I cut the clip in 2 parts: 0 to 5     and 6 to 10 seconds.

Now I trimg back the end of first clip o to 4.

Now I trim the start of the second clip 7 to 10 second.

Son, now I have 2 clips, the first one start from 0 to 4 and the second clip start to 7 to 10.

Put the 2 clips in the timeline, I add a 2 seconds dissolve transition. Now I can see in the dissolve the second 5 of first clip and the second 6 of the second clip. Seems that the transition retrimg my clip.

I should to trim the firt clip 0 to 3 and the second clip 8 to 10, apply the transition in order to see the dissolve from 4 to 7 seconds. This for me seems to be stupid. I should to trim the clip more in order to add a transition, but if I want to change the transition duration I have to re-trim the clips...

It is strange for me...

[R Neil Haugen]

Transitions use both sides of the cut at the same time.

So you set it to a 10 frame transition each side ... that means that 10 frames before the cut you start seeing frames from the second clip, of course, starting 10 frames before the clip cut as it is on the sequence.

And that transition will finally stop showing the first clip 10 frames after the cut point ... and those will be the ten frames of that first clip after the cut point.

Those extra sections shown in transitions are called "handles" ... and are a general source of confusion to those first handling pro NLE type editing operations.

[Crisc1]

To be clear, I am not disparaging Adobe Premiere Pro, I'm just trying to understand how it works. So I thank all of You who are helping me understanding and delve deeper. Thank you!
I started NLE winth Premiere 4.0 (when I launched it, it showed the image with the horse! Many years have passed 🙂 ) with the Mirò DC30+ card. Then I switched to Canopus cards and Edius software. Now I am reconsidering Premiere Pro, hence the reason for my questions.
Returning to the main topic, I have understood Premiere Pro's working mode, but I find it strange that there isn't a setting that allows inserting a transition using only the material (clip) that has been previously cut. Imagine working on a clip: first it shows a seascape, then another mountain scape. I cut that clip into two parts exactly where the change occurs (from sea to mountain). Now I apply a dissolve, and unfortunately, during the transition, I see part of the clip that I cut. Example,  the two clips each duration 9 seconds (total 18 seconds) and if I apply a 4 second dissolve, I would like the total duration to be 14 seconds:

What I desire: (total duration 14 seconds)
clip1:     1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9
clip2:                     1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9
transition:            T-T-T-T

What Premiere Pro does:
clip1:            1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-A1-A2-A3-A4
clip2:                                         B1-B2-B3-B4-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9
transition:                                 TT-TT-TT-TT
So Premiere adds additional material at the end of the first clip (A1---A4) and adds more at the beginning of the second clip (B1---B4) which I had cut because I didn't want to show that part of the video.

Is there a way or a setting in Premiere Pro to ensure it does not add previously cutted video material? With Edius, there is a setting that allows using only the part of the clip that has been cut. For example, if the transition has 4 seconds duration, it will start 4 seconds before the end of the first clip without adding the 4 seconds cut previously. Is it possible to do the same thing with Premiere Pro? If yes, how?

Thank you for your kindness!

[Ann Bens]

handles for transition

https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/transition-overview-applying-transitions.html

https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/modifying-customizing-transitions.html

[R Neil Haugen]

Just a comment on the one question ... the way transitions work in Premiere, applying one does not add time to the sequence. It only crosses the two clips over at the previous cut point.

So a 9 second clip, a 9 second clip, is 18 seconds of timeline.

No matter how long the transition, you still have an 18 second timeline. All cuts stay where they are. All clips stay exactly where they were.

You just see a bit of the before-cut part of clip 2 as a visual fade-in to that clip, and a bit of the out-cut of clip 1 as a fade-out  of that clip.

It's exactly like using music or background sound as a fade-in/fade/out process.

[Crisc1]

Hi,

   I have created a video to demonstrate my doubts:

In the first part of the video, you can see Edius working mode. I take two uncut clips, put them in the timeline. As you can see, the total duration is 12 seconds and 23 frames. Now I apply a 2-second transition, and as you can see, the total duration becomes 10 seconds and 23 frames. The two clips overlap for 1 second. For me, this is correct.

Now let's see how it works with Premiere: I insert the same two clips into the timeline, apply the transition, and Premiere says there's no material. Premiere creates a still image of the first frame of the second clip (okay, this is documented). Is there a setting to do the same thing Edius does?

Now, still with Premiere, I cut the end of the first clip and the beginning of the second. If I now apply the transition, you will see that the second clip starts correctly (the white table is exactly at the left edge of screen) but the first clip is elongated (and I don't want this). If you look closely, I cut the first clip when the floor start to be visible, but when I apply the transition, you can see much more floor because the clip has been elongated. I would like to avoid this. Is it possible with Premiere?

Thank you.

[video]

[Ann Bens]

If you do not want to see much of the floor trim it back even more or move the cross dissolve to the left.

[Crisc1]

If you do not want to see much of the floor trim it back even more or move the cross dissolve to the left.

By @Ann Bens

Yes, of course, I can trim the clip, or move the transition but for me (I repeat, for me) it seems  to be an extra work.

My workflow is simple, cut and trim all clip and the apply transitions and effects.
Imagine a panning , at some point, I want to cut something that I don't want and then continue with video. Example, a panning to mountain I cut the part with an house and then continue (it is just an example). After cut and trim, I insert a dissolve. With Premiere I need to re-trim the clips in order to elminate the house. Yes, I could trim more before but I can't to know how long will be the dissolve.

This only my opinion.
Thanks for your support!

[R Neil Haugen]

Edius is not working the way most professionals have worked. You are changing the length of the cut by applying that transition, which would anger so many editors.

They trim to exactly the frame they want, just as the eye comes up level ... now apply a transition, and that is nearly impossible to see as it fades out on the eye coming up level.

Further, it's now way off from the music track, and the pace of the timing of the cut they'd meticulously set.

No, very few editors will want transitions to cut the length of a clip.