Can Premiere CC video clips sort by "date created" in the Project panel?

[Editor_Joe_Wang]

Premiere CC, video clips can't  sort by "date created" in the Project panel?

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[Jon-M-Spear]

Seems that the Adobe team felt is was surplus to (their) requirements!!

I would welcome its return too.

http://forums.adobe.com/message/5921977

[excited_Genie16B8]

This ability was removed when the ability to sort in Icon mode was added. I suspect there's a link between the two.  This should definitely be rectified.

https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

[KJerryK]

JIm,

Are you talking about in the media browser, as the OP first asked? Because, for whatever strange reason, the sorting feature in the media browser is somewhat different than in the project panel.

[excited_Genie16B8]

Ooops.  I did mean Project Panel.

[Steven L. Gotz]

I don't even see the date created info, so I am not sure how you would sort on it.

On the other hand, if you use Bridge instead of the Media Browser, you get a lot more choices for both sorting and filtering.

[KJerryK]

With focus on media browser, click upper right and select "edit columns" to see:

[Steven L. Gotz]

Oops. Looked right past it.

Apparently you CAN sort by date created.

The questions is, did Joe miss it too? Or does he have a different problem?

[KJerryK]

Yeah, or did he really mean media browser. Guess we'll have to wait for him to rejoin the conversation.

Steven L. Gotz wrote:

The questions is, did Joe miss it too? Or does he have a different problem?

[Jon-M-Spear · Accepted solution]

Ah!  I was referring to the Project Panel where there doesn't appear to be an option to sort by date created.  At least, not one that I can find, not even by editing the metadata.

Got it !

Project panel > Metadata Display > Basic > Date Created

...in the Project Panel; List View, click on the Date Created column head to select it as sort criteria.

[excited_Genie16B8]

Except that no longer works in CC.  That is what got purposefully disabled when Icon sorting was added.

[spoof]

I dont think the software egineers actually use premiere. "Oh I think Ill delete an important basic feature 'cos it makes my job easier"

[excited_Genie16B8]

Right?

[Steven L. Gotz]

Well, we know the Marketing guys and support staff use the products, but I don't know about the actual programmers.

You would think that features are determined by marketing, not by engineering, unless engineering begs marketing for relief.

At least that is the way it worked in companies I have worked for.

[excited_Genie16B8]

That's bass akwards.

[Steven L. Gotz]

How so?

It is the marketing people who ask us what we want. They read the requests and check out the competition. Not the software programmers.

I worked for manufacturing companies, who also produced software, for a good portion of my adult life. Marketing drove the feature sets with Sales adding their input, as well as customer service. The coders just coded.

Now, there were features that popped up because some engineer with an imagination said, "Hey! Watch this!". But that was not the norm.

[excited_Genie16B8]

Marketing's job is to spread the word about the products available, not to set the direction for product development.

But, that's probably more of a Lounge discussion.

[Steven L. Gotz]

Marketing's job is to spread the word about the products available, not to set the direction for product development.

Ah, I see the problem.

You may not realize that in manufacturing companies, and many software companies, the department that the product managers work in is the Marketing department, not the engineering department. At least in all of the companies I have worked for since 1985 except for the last 5 years when I have worked for an operations company and not a manufacturer. I am now actually using the products I used to support. I sure am glad I did a good job when I helped sell this stuff into the company I now work for.

Think of it like a separation of powers. Sales passes along requests from customers, Marketing does the research, and then tells Engineering what they need. Then when they have what they need from engineering, the marketing folks produce the materials that Sales uses to go back out and sell more to customers.

[excited_Genie16B8]

the department that the product managers work in is the Marketing department, not the engineering department.

That's weird to me.  They should be working in the Production department, which produces the company's products, whatever they may be.

Marketing is separate department.

[R Neil Haugen]

Jim,

Even as a small portrait photog, I've worked with a few LARGE companies doing the occassional executive. What an education ... take say, an immense insurance company. Look at the chart of staff positions in a regional office with maybe 100 names on the list ... Big Boss up top, a few lines under him, long lines under those.

Say, off the to left side is the "Sales" department. Go photo a Sales exec in the building, and walk around with him for a while. Btw, this guy is maybe 10 down the 20 or so in Sales. He walks into the office of another department's head, the top guy of that line ... who immediately stands and comes around the desk to very deferentially shake hands.

NO ONE in that "top" guy's position EVER gets up to be a regional manager ... he's topped out. The regional managers ... and ALL execs higher than that ... come out of Sales. Do I think it's odd, stuuuuupid, bizarre? Yep. Doesn't matter.

It's been like that in every company I've got to know. Not a huge list, but a few rather major firms.

Start-up software/techie companies are about the main opposition to that model. However ... as soon as "the suits" take over in the burgeoning management of a very rapidly expanding firm ... Suits Rule. And the "best" suits are Sales/Marketing.

That's Rule No. 1.

For Rule No. 2 ... see Rule No. 1.

Neil (who actually does understand why it works that way ... )

[Steven L. Gotz]

It isn't Jim's fault. The name "Marketing" has been used as the department that produces commercials, or ads or whatever, to entice people to buy, and then Sales comes along and closes the deal. That does happen. But in many companies, Marketing is responsible for figuring out what the company should be selling. Think of it as the research arm of the company. Not technical R&D, but industry research. What features are needed, vs which are wanted. And which will make the most money.

The engineers are not the best people to figure out what the software "should" do, but they are the ones to figure out what it "can" do by way of trying to do what Marketing asks them to do.

We don't generally see engineers. Companies keep them in cubicles, sated with donuts or bagels, and really big monitors to keep them happy. Many coders are not presentable to customers. It is the product managers who help create the technical presentations that the sale people can use.

Production has a totally different meaning in a manufacturing firm. Production builds things. Makes things. Whatever. But they don't decide what to make. That would be like the fox guarding the henhouse.

[Mark Mapes]

@Spoof,

It's one thing to disagree with a change that was made or even to question the rationale. It's something else entirely to speculate on the reasoning, particularly in a way that impugns the character of members of the development team.

Decisions like the one to disable sorting by some XMP properties are not arrived at lightly, and they certainly are not the unilateral move an individual engineer. What's more, in my seven years at Adobe, I can't think of a single case where a developer intentionally compromised the users' experience to make his or her job easier.

So I respectfully request that you show more respect on this forum for the development team. If you can't stop yourself from blindly speculating on why we made a certain change or how a particular bug got through, then I invite you to keep it to yourself--or at least come out from behind the anonymity of an alias.

@Everyone else: we have an item in our backlog to  improve performance of metadata processing, which will clear the way for turning sorting back on for properties that used to support it. Without making any promises as to when that will be tackled, I can say it's prioritized fairly high.

[R Neil Haugen]

Mark,

Thanks for the comment about improving the metadata sorting. I'm starting to use Prelude on some of my projects ... and yea, that meta suddenly becomes very, very useful. IF the later program work can be made aware of it. This will be very, very nice to have.

Neil

[excited_Genie16B8]

we have an item in our backlog to  improve performance of metadata processing, which will clear the way for turning sorting back on for properties that used to support it.

That's good news.

[Pine Post Productions2]

Any updates? I just got a show with each day starting with clip0001.

What a disaster if I can't sort by date.