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December 25, 2018
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COLOR SPACE at export in Prores

  • December 25, 2018
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Merry Christmas everybody !

We edited a feature film in Premiere Pro and preparing for final steps of postproduction now.

Source material is from a Canon C300 Mark 2 (98%) and in smaller amounts also Sony Alpha 7s Mark II (2%).

As there was plenty of reframing and panning done, the postproduction facility who will do the color grading agreed to work on a Prores 4444 file (rebuilding all the reframing would be way to time consuming / expensive). The Prores file for grading we want to export from our Premiere Pro timeline.

Only requirement by the postproduction facility is, that the Prores files have to have the same color space like our source material.

My question now - how do I make sure this works properly ? I understand Premiere Pro does not have any opportunity to edit / change color spaces. But what happens upon reframing shots ? Is this considered an effect and some background RGB conversion applies ?

Our idea for an exporting workflow is to separate Canon and Sony materials to their own timeline and export each one out of Premiere Pro as a Prores 4444 - with the following key settings in the Premiere Pro export window:

Format: Quicktime

Preset: Match Source (rewrap)

Video Codes: Prores 4444

Check Box: "Render at Maximum Depth"

Check Box: "Use Maximum Render Quality"

Uncheck Box: "Use Previews"

As the whole process of color space management is happening in the background, I hope this will present us with a decent outcome and not compromise our footage...

Is there anything of importance to consider ? Any trap - or anything else we might have missed ?

Any comment or advice on this would be highly appreciated !

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Mo Moolla
Legend
December 27, 2018

This is an interesting one but. no complex to solve at all.

I will have ti reply tomorrow though. Its 1am and I need to get into a meeting very early tomorrow.

So you are shooting 10bit and can't see the bit depth in AE.

AE shows 8 and 16bpc and of course 32 bit (floating)

Are u shooting HDR content?

Also please state the RAW Footage codecs for both cameras incl fps, res and bit rate.

Just need these answers if you don't mind?

Will revert soonest if someone else doesn't do it first

Mo

December 28, 2018

Sorry - now I was unavailable for a while. Here are the requested facts - hope you can abstract the German descriptions

R Neil Haugen
Legend
December 25, 2018

Pr works internally in 32-bit float on most things. If you are using a GPU render max depth is unnecessary as that just tells the app to do GPU- depth render if no GPU is present.

Pr exports as it works  ... Rec.709/gamma 2.4. For screen use you may wish another space, and take your final print from Pr into Resolve is one way to export to other spaces for specific needs.

For features, they have a "Hollywood" section for those working in feature films. Headed by David Helmly and Karl Soule. You can find them by searching the web, and they would have the best advice and resources to help with features needs.

Also, in general, the most in-depth complete look at using Pr in various workflows is Jarle Leirpoll's ebook "The Cool Stuff in Premiere Pro" found on his site.

premierepro.net

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
chrisw44157881
Inspiring
December 25, 2018

I was hoping you'd delve into the large color gamuts that the Canon C300 can use.

afaik premiere will clip those color gamuts into rec. 709 with luts. it has some rec. 2020 support that I haven't fully tested. where's the documentation on all this stuff? It's like, every question needs a new manual. the latest I've read is Rec2020 EXR files are not currently supported as part of a Rec2020 workflow in Premiere Pro and scopes won't reflect rec 2020 color. I'm not sure about Prores yet or if it can even export rec. 2020.

Premiere Pro still not color matching After Effects (using EXR files)

Although, if premiere will dumb interpret all files into rec 709, then all of this is a mute point, especially if you don't need large color values for grading P3 primaries into theatres etc.

R Neil Haugen
Legend
December 28, 2018

Yeah... if Mo Moolla doesn't know a secret trick here, I guess there is no way around a more traditional conform. But if you think the panning, rescaling and keyframe values can somehow be transferred between systems via XML - it would be ideal to work from the original material - as I learned in university that transcodes normally always cut some info... with a Prores 4444 this might be hard to notice for most parts - but probably better to be safe and work from original footage.

A reference file is of course obligatory


Conforms of long-form projects are normally a complex thing, no question. Patrick Inhofer did a full series of "insights", video tutorials  ... on the MixingLight service.

Including lengthy sections on time ramps and re-scaling.

This is something that is best discussed with the colorist before you make the final version to deliver. Find what they need. And I've been told if a colorist doesn't have a list of suggested practices and deliverables for you to follow and provide  ... look for other colorists.

Anyone telling you they can and will fix anything, well ... may be able to ... but not necessarily the way you want it fixed, may consume much of the budget in the conform ... and the chance of missed or sloppy work goes way up.

Or so I'm told. But the guys and gals telling me this have rather major credentials.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...