Different video color in source monitor and program monitor

[victork80805280]

First of all i'm sorry if the question is stupid and simply, i'm just a beginner, thank you for understanding. probably the problem is very common and have been answered 100 times but i even don't know how to make proper search inquary and what problem may be related to.

When i add video to timeline in program monitor i see diferent colors than in source monitor. Premier pro in just installed and i think it's use default settings, please help.

It looks like these monitors uses different codeks, soft or something else to display an image

[Graeme Bull]

It may be because you are using "fit" as your setting for the size of the video. Try both at 100% maybe

[victork80805280]

Hello, thank you for reply, as i understand fit is just a size of image, it couldn't affect to color and brightness, btw i tried and nothing changed. Also i opened Learning tab and ised adobe videos for check if i have same problem with other videos and yes, it's much difficult to see but the images is different

[R Neil Haugen]

On my screen I can't see any difference between the two worth mentioning,  as in so close to identical as to be of no consequence. (And I've a history of being a picky sot.)

Next, the Source monitor is not supposed to always show the same thing as the Program monitor. They have 2 different purposes and designed usage.

Source monitor is the best image as imported without any effects. Program monitor shows what has been done to the image.

So your concern about this is irrelevant and immaterial. A waste of time.

The Reference monitor and Program will be as nearly identical as possible.

Neil

[QingLyn]

To avoid some confusion, it would be best to add that the Source Monitor and Program Monitor CAN show the same image after an effect has been applied to the MASTER clip.  

I had the same problem as Victor but I mistakenly added a color correction to the adjustment layer....  Easy to do when tired.  Best to lock the damn track!  

[excited_Genie16B8]

I think Jamie LeJeune has it right in the following thread from the Blackmagic forums.  He's specifically talking about Resolve, but the idea holds true for all NLEs.  The upshot is, "The only image you can trust is to run SDI out to an accurately calibrated reference monitor."

http://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=68410

https://www.lightillusion.com/why_calibrate.html

[rodneyb56060189]

computer monitors don't always have the same color and tonal range across the entire face of the monitor. You can easily test this. Move your resource monitor panel to where your program monitor panel is, and move your program monitor panel to where your resource monitor panel WAS.  You will probably see that the problem is now reversed.  That means that your monitor is not giving you an even and accurate rendition of colors and tones ( luminance, etc. ) across the whole surface.

[rodneyb56060189]

the other thing is, make sure your resource monitor FILE ( in your project resources ) is NOT being 'interpreted' as some other footage size or frame rate or anything when you drop into timeline. Nor any OTHER effects applied.

[rodneyb56060189]

another quick check can be done...

start a new project full HD, put color bars and tone into resources, drag it to your timeline. Compare colors and grey scale.

make sure you don't have weird stuff applied on timeline ( frame blending, or whatever people do nowadays ).

[rodneyb56060189]

Neil, I was gonna say, " can't see the difference from MY HOUSE" but he obviously is trying to get as exact as possible. It will be interesting to see what is posted after 'export' . Yikes.

But at least it's worth mentioning all the help and stuff that is at our disposal so he understands from the ground up what is going on. It will help him / her have that much more understanding, as it was mentioned this is a new thing.

People watching the final export product won't have the 'comparison' issue, and would love either one of those images, but it's something worth tackling from the start so that the future is more understandable.

[Averdahl]

For me this is an illusion caused by the computer screen. Normally your face are staring at the very middle of the screen and thus one see the nuances in brightness/color/saturation of the computer screen when the eyes roll slightly left and right to see the Source (left) and Program (right).

Some years ago i noticed the same thing on a Dell 24 inch screen and was sure that there was a difference between the Source and the Program monitor. After some time (months...) and frustration i discovered that it all depended on where i sat, meaning that if i moved my body/chair to the left so my face is staring directly on the Source and then moved my body/chair to the right so my face is staring directly on the Program they looked exactly the same.

If you don´t believe this, take a screen dump of the Source and Program when the same footage is loaded and then import them, place them on a timeline, align them correctly and then add the Difference blend mode to the top layer all you will get is black. Black=no difference.

[rodneyb56060189]

Averdahl, So true. But this was screenshots not eyeballs, and although it's hard to see difference ( in the white cloud for example) there is an extremely infinitesimal difference. So it could be screen isn't totally equal across, or some color space changed (YUV to RGB), or some size and frame rate changed ( project doesn't match exactly the resource) or whatever. Like Neil I have the opinion that if this were the worst of my problems in life and editing I would be happy as a clam.

hehe, thank goodness there is a place like this where new people using this stuff can get an early start on understanding what is going on !  You help tremendously, as do many nice people here.

[chrisw44157881]

whenever in doubt, use a pixel sampler. i personally use instant eyedropper.

a difference mode won't show small chroma difference as our eyes mostly see only luma.

[povot]

I've encountered the same problem.

My solution: check if PLAYBACK and PAUSED resolution is the same between source and program monitors. If you are working with high resolution footage in little monitor, resolution changes may shift colors.

[QingLyn]

This happened to me, then I noticed I had mistakenly added a color effect to full project cropping adjustment layer, making the entire timeline program window different from the source window.  Ooops. 

[jorgec4258750]

To solve this problem do the following. 

1- In the "proyect tab" right click on your sequence. 

2- Select "Sequence settings..."

3- In the "video" section (Working Color Space) - choose a different color space to match the source and program color.

Works for me. 

Regards, George.

 

[Puffancs]

Love you man! That's it! That solved the problem!

Thank you very much!

[mahmoodm29396853]

That solved it!