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vanlazarus2013
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June 6, 2019
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Export 18fps sequence?

  • June 6, 2019
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Is there any way in Premiere to export a file that matches the sequence settings for 18fps and 16fps content transfered from Super8 and 8mm film?  Even with 'Match Source' checked in the export panel, Premiere seems not match and to force the export to 15fps.

If this is not possible in Premiere, it seems like a massive oversight.  Please tell me there is a way.

      Correct answer Stan Jones

      We should NOT be needing to request features that were PREVIOUSLY available in older versions of Premiere.

      Shame on Adobe.

      This should be a basic functionality for a "professional" software, if you can even call it that now...

      Adobe Premiere is becoming the industry's iMovie.

      It's frankly embarrassing


      @michaels72175479,

       

      I was just doing some tests on interpreting footage, so did a quick test out of curiosity as to the actual state of the current software. This thread has a bit of confusion at times, and is somewhat dated.

       

      I did my tests on Win 11 PR release 25.5.0.

       

      Arbitrary bit of footage. Interpreted it to 18fps. Created sequence from clip. Export as mp4/H.264 OR as quicktime/mov H.264. In each case, it shows a framerate of 18, confirmed after export.

       

      Stan

       

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      michaels72175479
      Participating Frequently
      February 12, 2021

      voukoder is free and supports at least 18fps (Super8) export in various containers.

      https://www.voukoder.org/

       

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        JBress
        New Participant
        May 7, 2021

        Thanks for the tip

        Works perfectly (at least with Premiere CC 2015.2)

        Side note: with Premiere CC 2015.2 you have to use this workaround to create a 18fps sequence : https://www.voukoder.org/forum/thread/799-18fps-export-in-premiere/

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          combatTVgirl57701
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          October 1, 2020

          Ok, I "think" I found a work-around, but you need HandBrake to do it.  Fortunately, Handbrake is free.

           

          In Handbrake:
          After you select your video to import, go to the "Preset" Menu; go to "Production" and select "Production Max."

          Under "Video" Settings, choose "Same as Source." (In my case, 18fps since I'm working with 8mm home movies.). Make sure you select "Constant Framerate."

          Add your video to the queue and let it transcode.

           

          When you import your video into Premiere, create a sequence directly from your clip.  Under "Sequence Settings," make sure your sequence is set to 18fps (it should be), and select your codec under Video Previews.  NOTE: So far I have only gotten this to work using QuickTime and Apple ProRes 422.  I haven't figured out how to make it work and export to an mp4.

          When you export, select "Match Sequence Settings."  The frame rate under "Video Settings" will default to "1;" don't worry about that.

          Put it into the Queue for Me, or just export it.  The framerate will stay at 18fps.

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            vanlazarus2013Author
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            October 1, 2020

            It's very important to read the thread, especially my comments further down, before posting your solution. 

             

            Firstly:  Everyone keeps on giving advice on how to create a sequence in Premiere at 18fps.  That is not the problem.  I can easily create a sequence at 18fps by selecting 'Create sequence from clip' where the clip is already 18fps (created by our film scanning software).

             

            Secondly:  CombatTVGirl, your solution to output a Quicktime video from Premiere at 18fps only works in Premiere CC 2019.... it doesn't work in Premiere CC2020... unless something has changed with the latest patch.... although I doubt this as Adobe themselves told me that exporting 18fps in Premiere 2020 wasn't possible unless you have already created a export preset that is hard-wired to 18fps.  CombatTVGirl, can you please confirm that you are performing this solution in an old Premiere version from 2019?

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              combatTVgirl57701
              Known Participant
              October 1, 2020

              No, I'm using 2020.  I understand your problem; you need to be able to export a sequence at 18fps, not just create it or manipulate it in the timeline.  But in order to do that, you have to import it with all the "right" code so Premiere can't screw it up and try to default to 15 or 24fps.  

              patricks35493661
              patricks35493661
              Participating Frequently
              September 28, 2020

              For those in dire need: before the sequence is created and especially for those importing image sequences:

              go to the

               - project window and find the source footage / image sequence

               - rightclick to modify > interpret footage

               - set assume framerate = XX (18)

              then drag that footage to the main sequence and accept the change.

              that gives you editing at 18 fps and you should also be able to export at 18 fps

              (hope that helps)

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                vanlazarus2013Author
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                September 28, 2020

                The problem with CC 2020 is not the ability to create sequences of unusual framerates, it's exporting those sequences at their framerates.  Choosing any Quicktime preset (just like H264 before it) now defaults to a set list of framerates (10, 12, 15, 23.97...etc), even when you choose to match the sequence framerate.  One has to have created a saved preset with the unusual framerate that must be chosen when exporting.  Matching sequence framerate doesn't work like it did in CC2019 (for Quicktime).

                  patricks35493661
                  patricks35493661
                  Participating Frequently
                  October 1, 2020

                  I stand corrected! You are right...! Lucky enough I had upvoted the request already...  😉

                  Although i would still swear that the (odd) framerate of the sequence was added to the framerate-options in the export settings when i tried it on monday.... I later switched to Avisynth for the assembly, so i didn't follow my own assumption.

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                  Meg The Dog
                  Inspiring
                  June 6, 2019

                  You can certainly edit at 18fps or 16fps in Premiere if you use a source clip with that framerate to create the sequence by dragging it to the new item icon:

                  And I can export at that frame rate without issue on my system:

                  Not sure what your issue is.

                  MtD

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                    vanlazarus2013Author
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                    June 6, 2019

                    Hi Warren and Meg,

                    Thanks for your input.

                    I have no problems creating a sequence for 16fps and 18fps by using the 'Create Sequence from Clip' option.  My problem is exporting.

                    Meg, you're using Quicktime, which seems to allow these framerates, at least for ProRes. 

                    I'm exporting my ProRes intermediate in H264, which forces the framerate to 15fps.  This is my problem.

                    I'm going to explore and see if I can find a different, more consumer friendly format (rather than ProRes 422+), that can output in 16 and 18fps.

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                      vanlazarus2013Author
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                      May 6, 2020

                      Update:  Now Premiere 2020 has killed my workaround!  It's no longer possible to render sequences that are 18fps in Quicktime Prores at 18fps..... they are forced to 15fps just like H264.  This destroys my workflow and I need a solution from Adobe.  It's frustrating how many times new releases from Adobe break old features.

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                        Warren Heaton10841144Community Expert
                        Community Expert
                        June 6, 2019

                        As I'm sure you've noticed, the Timebase option skips right past 16 and 18.

                        You can edit at 16 or 18 in After Effects, but you're using an interface meant for motion graphics and composting rather editing.

                        Another option would be to edit in Premiere Pro at 15 or 24 and then copy and paste the source footage from the PR Sequence to an AE Comp already set to 16fps or 18fps for export, although, check the in point and the out point of each clip prior to sending the AE Comp to Adobe Media Encoder.  (it's not an ideal way to edit, but it'll work.

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