Export subclip as an exact duplicate of original file, how please?

[cyclopic fun]

I want to trim my original footage and save the trims as clone copies for further use in projects with no change in quality. I cannot find out how to do this in Premiere. Could someone please tell this is possible and how to do it - thank you.

I know about subclips and exporting using the media encoder but I do not want to have to mess around choosing codecs, bitrates and passes etc at this stage.

[angie_taylor]

Set your in and out points, theN make subclip. Do this for all the clips you want trimmed.

Then select these here and go to File > Project Manager. In here you can move, copy or re-transcode the clips and sequences. You have an option to remove unused footage too.

[cyclopic fun]

Thanks Angie - just what I needed.

Just as a follow-on: can I export, in one action, all clips in a sequence as individual new files with their effects (warp stabilizer) rendered?

[angie_taylor]

That would be nice but as far as I’m aware it’s not possible unless you render via Media Encoder. You can set up a watched folder for AME or batch process the clips so it should be possible to do that way?

[cyclopic fun]

Thanks Angie. Help much appreciated.

[cyclopic fun]

Angie,

Sorry but your method is not working as I thought or I'm not understanding it correctly. "Consolidate and transcode" changes my file format which I don't want and generates  one clip from all subclips. "Collect Files and copy" copies entire source file to new location not just the selected subclips in the sequence and/or Project Manager. Am I missing something?

I just want to turn my subclips into new files in their orginal format to a new location. Must be possible!

[angie_taylor]

There are different option for transcoding. Have you checked them

all?

[angie_taylor]

Did you restrict the boundaries of the subclips when you made them? If not that may be why it exports a single source file? To change this you can select the subclip and go to Edit > Subclip. Select the option to restrict boundaries.

then, in the Project manager. Choose collect files and Copy. But make sure to select the option to “delete unused media” does this work?

[cyclopic fun]

Hi Angie and Ann and anyone who is interested,

I've done some testing and "File > Project Manager > Collect files and copy to new location" does not work as I would have hoped. The problem seems to be if you have several subclips from one original source clip then Project Manager copies the entire source clip not the individual subclips.

If you only have one subclip from the source clip then that subclip (only) will be copied. This is fine.

I've have yet to find a satisfactory solution to my original question. If I require several subclips from one source file I am wondering if I need to make a copy of the source file (outside of Premiere?) and bring it into Premiere for each subclip required. If this is the case it is a cumbersome and time consuming procedure.

My original source files are .MOV 3840x2160 at 5960kbps . "Export Media > Format > H264 > Match Source High bitrate"  gives unusable results. Any other suggestions for satisfactory results most welcome - thanks.

Edit: I do not see why a sophisticated program like Premiere Pro cannot simply copy the source date of a subclip and save it in another location.

[Ann Bens]

YOu can right click on the subclip in the Project Panel and export to e.g. Cineform.

Makes huge files but the best quality.

[cyclopic fun]

Angie and Ann,

Thanks for all your suggestions.

Angie, Thank you for putting me on the right track.

I create a subclip and check "restrict trims to subclip boundaries" The subclip enters the Project Manager. Unless it is used in a sequence you cannot edit any settings in the Project Manager. So let's say I create two subclips from the source clip and put them in the timeline. In The Project Manager I select the 2 subclips, not the sequence. In, Project Manager > Collect files and copy to a new location, copies the entire source clip. I don't want this!

If I select the sequence in Project Manager and "collect files and copy" I still get a copy of all the original source.

Ann, your solution is the closet to my requirements - thank you. If I transcode clips to cineform I get good quality individual files from the subclips. As you say the filesize is huge. This is still not the desired solution of a direct clone of the source file subclip.

I see others have had this issue since 2013

Re: Turning Subclip into IDENTICAL Master

[Ann Bens]

If your source in avchd you will never get the same output. Premiere does not do smart render for avchd. See link in previous post.

If storage is the problem you will have to get larger disks. These days they are very cheap.

[angie_taylor]

Yes, I agree with you that it's not ideal. Premiere Pro's media management is not as strong as Avid's IMHO. Although there are areas I think it does better. So it's a case of pros and cons I guess.

I'm sorry the solutions weren't exactly right for you.

In order to get individual clips as you want you must use Consolidate and Transcode, this will transcode individual clips for you. However if these settings are not suitable then the only other way is to select the Subclips in the Project panel and go to File > Export > Media. Click on "Match Source" so that the settings will be identical to the originals. Then hit the Queue button to add them to the Media Encoder render queue. Click on the render button to render you individual clips.

I think this is the best you will be able to get with Premiere Pro as it is currently.

[cyclopic fun]

Angie and Ann

Thanks for replies.

I contacted to Adobe Premiere support and the person I spoke with said there was no way to do a cloned subclip copy without transcoding. My .MOV clips do not transcode well with "Match settings".

However, for me the solution is to use WINDOWS 10 Film and TV. It trims and saves clips to a new location as mp4 and with no loss of quality or increase in proportional file size. I am still amazed Premiere/ME can't do this as satisfactorily or as simply.

[Stan Jones]

https://forums.adobe.com/people/cyclopic+fun  wrote

with no loss of quality or increase in proportional file size.

It is changing all kinds of stuff: on one test, it changed from interlaced to progressive. On another, from 29.97 to 30.00 fps. In every instance for me, it changed data rate. It is very likely changing quality, even if it is not apparent.

In other words, it is transcoding, so PR will also do this. Do you see some settings I am missing?

Ann, will this give her what she is looking for?

TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 5 - The De Facto Standard in Video Cutting Tools

[cyclopic fun]

Stan,

I'm sure you are right, there is some sort of transcoding going on.

There is an increase in the data rate in the Win 10 Film and tv file compared to that reported for the entire source file. However I noticed the size of difference of the change seems to correspond with how bright the particular clip is. I believe brighter filming requires more data. If the original recording was made with a variable bitrate codec this might explain the difference but this is a guess. I have not experienced any frame rate changes in the clips I have made so far.

However, for me the bottom line is the clips from Win 10 Film and tv look identical to the original footage on my screen. In Premiere I was only getting close to this when transcoding using GoPro Cineform 12bit which hugely increases file size. I will say that when I exported my clips made using H264 (which looked terrible in Premiere, mainly where there was a simple background) out of Premiere at 1080p they looked pretty close to the original on my 1080 screen. Original res versions looked as bad out of Premiere as they did in the program on my system.

[Ann Bens]

What you are looking for is smart render but that is only available for a certain codecs.

Smart rendering in Premiere Pro

[angie_taylor]

Also, before you go to the Project Manager, select ONLY the sub-clips that you want. Make sure nothing else is selected. Make sure to select “delete unused footage” too. Does that work?

[angie_taylor]

Or just select the sub clips in the Project panel and export them via media encoder?

[Zerangulator]

Adobe, any confirmation and timeline on resolving this problem?

(sub-clips of a long single shot, exported to individual files, preserving quality, without massive file-size inflation)