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HDR is of course 'high dynamic range'. But the big gains from an HDR workflow are not actually just a brighter image. There are two main gains for well-graded HDR content:
But to get those in your image reliably takes a monitor that shows you what you're actually getting. So how do we go about getting a decent HDR monitor setup right now within Premiere Pro?
Well ... you had to be expecting this! ... it ... depends.
On a lot of things. How serious are you, is as always, the first question.
The Quick Answer with ... potential issues.
The 2022 version of Premiere Pro does allow us to simply set a monitor to its HDR settings and see an HDR-ish (at least) version of the image on that screen. You don't have to have the BlackMagic or AJA output device simply to get HDR onto a screen.
To just "play" with HDR work, or get some practice working with HDR tonalities, or to maybe put up a personal thing on YouTube, hey, go for it!
And yes, please do make sure the "Display Color Managemen" option in the preferences is checked! Along with the project setting of "Graphics White" to 203 nits for HDR work, the far more used option.
But ... what are you actually seeing? And are there problems that you can't see? This is where it goes far down the rabbit hole, and quickly.
(Also check out this FAQ on Premiere Pro 2022 changes to color management)
A Case In Point
My BenQ PD2720U for instance claims HDR10 support. I've heavily calibrated that to both Rec.709 (which uses sRGB color primaries) and for HDR ... using the P3 primaries. At least, as much HDR as that monitor can do.
I've run calibrations and profiles of that monitor in both spaces. Set for Rec.709, I'm well within pro specs on deltaE variances on both tonality and color. It's actually pretty solid there, and is useful against a Grade 1 Reference monitor as long as I don't try for broadcast work.
But remember, for HDR, it's about both brightness/contrast and color, right?
My BenQ is only capable of 358 nits brightness after setting the white point to D65, not nearly the 1,000 nits minimum normally listed as required for a pro grading HDR monitor. And that's not a lot more than the 100 nits of the Rec.709 calibration. Many TV's go way past my BenQ!
What about the color though? The monitor 'claims' 96% of P3 color space, but after calibration the profile suggests reality is more like only 94% or so of P3.
But here is where the HDR really hits home. Even with only 94% of the P3 colors, the image is so much more colorful than the same clip viewed as Rec.709!
So clearly, if your monitor has HDR capabilities, and you turn them on, you can at least sort of work in HDR within Premiere 2022 without the expensive connecting kit previously required.
And yea, I really, really want to be working in HDR. But ... I don't really do much yet. Why? It's because ... I know I don't know that much about what I'm getting when I change something in Lumetri. And I've got a lot more color grading experience than the average bear.
So what are we missing?
Well ... rather a lot, actually. Welcome to the rabbit hole!
All HDR screens produced for consumer use mess with the image constantly. Why?
Even when we turn off everything we can, even if we have the 'tech remote' allowing access to the tech settings most users can't see, this still happens in the software and hardware of that screen.
And we never, ever, know exactly what's going on. Other than ... it is messing with the image. Everything from total contrast, shadow contrast, highlight contrast, shadow color, highlight color, midtones gray-scale & color, everything.
The blackest black 'here' may be X, but a few frames later it's ... Q. The whitest bright specular will shift scene to scene, and within a scene, frame to frame. And all this, no matter what we do with the color controls in Lumetri. Yes, we can change things ... and then the monitor does it's thing to what we've done.
So ... how do we know exactly what we've done then? It's ... crazy.
How do pro colorists work with this?
The pro Grade 1 Reference monitors are built to show a constant image, without the changes of the consumer gear. There may be "dimming zones" in some pro color grading monitors, small segments of the screen that can go 'blacker' than other parts of the screen. This is to maintain that incredibly wide 1,000 nits or better dynamic range.
But if there are dimming zones on pro grading monitors, there are thousands of very small zones that greatly minimize "starfield blooming".
There are no other changes being applied by the monitor to the image. No modification of any tonal or color detail whatever. At all. And they can maintain 1,000 nits or better hour after hour. With highly calibrated and accurate color.
So the pro's know exactly what they're seeing every moment. They know exactly what happens to the image with any touch of their controls. And that's why all the pro HDR monitors are well over $20,000 USD at this time. Way out of the range for most of us to even consider.
And the pro colorist's I work with daily tell me it can be very informative, to see the differences between their screen and a TV. Because they often have a large-screen TV set for their client's viewing screen in the room. Most typically they're the LG C9, CX, or C1 series TVs.
When looking between the two screens, they can tell when the client screen shifts image data at times. For some moments, image data shifting is between hard to tell to non-visible. Yet at other moments, yea ... it's pretty easy to see what's changed.
We all want the pro reference monitor at a prosumer price. And want it now.
That isn't going to happen, but again ... if your expectations and needs are within those rather severe limitations, yes, you can work in HDR without spending a mint.
Neil
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Hi Neil, I wonder if you can help please.
I have been editing HDR for about 3 years now and I’m still having problems with adobe premiere pro
We have been talking on another problem “glitching”
The problem I have is I’m editing HDR on an SDR monitor and my edit timelines are all different, I have screenshots to send you to show you what I mean, but I will try to explain. Please see the 4 different devices I filmed on.
All four timelines will be merged to make a trailer, I have exported some blown out clips and once played after export, they play great on an HDR TV/Device, can you help please?
Best
Steve
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You don't mention two things:
Is the monitor and OS set to disply HDR? In Windows you typically go into monitor settings for that.
And is auto detect log and auto tonemapping both on?
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Hi Neil,
Thank you for your reponce, I'm away for a few days at the moment, I will reply in full on the weekend.
Where do I find the auto detect log & auto tonemapping pls
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With the rest of the color management settings, which are now all on the Color Workspace, Lumetri Panel's Settings tab. The tab named settings.
Auto detect log is project group setting I think, up near the top. Tonemapping is a sequence group setting.
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Hi Neil,
Here are some screen shots of my settings
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In the Windows screen, note that the HDR option is turned off?
That needs to be on.
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Hi Neil,
I have calibrated my monitor with datacolour spider X2, I cannot use HDR with the calabration...this is why this is off...should I put my monitor back to default and then turn HDR on please
Steve
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Hi Neil...this is doing my head in, thank you for taking the time to help.
Please see 4 pictures I have taken for you to see my problem:
Pic 1 - HDR Monitor and Windows display settings set to HDR
Pic 2 - HDR Monitor and Windows display settings set to HDR - Lumertri Scope colour is wrong, blue has changed to purple
Pic 3 - Standard - Monitor and Windows display settings set to Standard
Pic 4 - Standard - Monitor and Windows display settings set to Standard - Lumertri Scopes are correct colour, blue is blue
Any help for me to edit correct colour for export please, thank you so much
Steve
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I wish this was as simple as we all had hoped it would be!
Back in April of 2019 I spoke in the Flanders/MixingLight booth at NAB ... with people like the main DolbyVision expert from Dolby Labs, Alexis Van Hurkman, others ... with our programs displayed on a brand new AWESOME 36" Flanders HDR reference monitor. We thought Nirvana had arrived. And was coming to a screen near us within months.
Not hardly. That panel tech was good but both expensive and prone to non-usable panels, the factory went belly up a few months later. Other screen technologies have all had troubles, but finally, quantum dot seems to be able to hold up.
Getting both at least a mostly uniform screen, at least a decent portion of which can go above 250-300 nits for some period without damage or needing to change the entire screen's contrast/sat/brightness/blacks settings on you ... that's been rough.
AND ... most devices have an OS that mucks with the screen to "enhance the viewing experience" ... and only handle one or two of the several potential HDR formats, and none well ... and that's where we are.
Still, HDR is stuck in the Wild Wild West, and yea, it's frustrating. Most pro colorists have still not delivered a single paid job in HDR, though that will probably change this year. Although ... many of those jobs aren't broadcast, but corporate work ... " 'Splainers' and such.
So ... the monitor needs to be able to actually have an HDR setting, for Premiere, hopefully, one that is HLG probably, and be set to HDR/HLG ... the OS has to be set to HDR, and everything in Premiere's settings has to be set to matching HDR, again probably HLG.
And at that point, we ... hope ... it works. It does (mostly) for many users at this time.
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Wow, is it like I’m trying get fly into space when we have only just invented the wheel?
I really do appreciate your help, such a shame you could not visit, have a beer and try to sort this out for me…
Ok, I would like to explain what the photos are:
1 = HDR set in windows and the monitor set to HDR, you can see the detail in the sand.
2 = lumetri scope is now purple instead of blue and the appearance is now light grey.
3 = HDR disabled in windows and the monitor set to standard, you can see the sand is blown out, yet on export, the sand has detail.
4 = lumetri scope is now showing the default colour blue and the appearance is now dark grey.
Do I need to alter anything in the colour setup and use Wide Gamut (Tone Mapping instead of Direct HLG (HDR) Please
My monitor is: Acer Nitro EI491CRP
I am thinking of getting an “Atomos Ninja Monitor” 7inch for HDR reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz57jDrBpXs&t=2s
Any help on anything I have written will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you again for your time.
Best
Steve
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Display Color Management, make sure auto detect log and auto tonemapping are on, sequence is set to HLG, and check that the scopes are showing HDR or HLG at the bottom of the scopes panel.
Showing a screengrab of your entire CM Settings panel would be useful.
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That all looks correct ...
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Thank you Neil,
Would this 7" HDR monitor help for colour reference, brightness and blacks please
I am thinking of getting an “Atomos Ninja Monitor” 7inch for HDR reference
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Never worked with one, so I have no clue. Sorry.
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