Incorrect exposure and color in Premiere v22.1.1

[pjh29603495]

I updated to Premiere V22.1.1 today, and the colors are way off on all video clips I've checked. Specifically, the exposure is dramatically increased and there is a slight blue shift. Below is a screenshot of an MP4 clip in Premiere 2021 and the second screenshot is the same clip in Premiere 2022. Premiere 2021 view is correct and looks nearly identical when played in-camera, in Windows Media Player, and in VLC. From what I can see, all settings are identitcal in both versions... I have Display Color Management enabled, Mercury Playback GPU Acceleration, Rec 709 color space, and I-Frame Only MPEG preview. No effects have been applied in either case. I have tried changing all of the settings mentioned above, but the problem remains. Also, the incorrect colors in Premiere 2022 are applied to exported video, so its not just in the preview window.

Any suggestions on how to correct this issue? Anyone else experiencing this?

[Peru Bob · Accepted solution]

Have a look here:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-discussions/faq-premiere-pro-2022-color-management-for-l...

and here:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-discussions/faq-how-to-fix-saturated-over-exposed-hlg-cl...

[pjh29603495]

Thanks! That was the issue. The individual clips had to be modified with a color space override to Rec 709. Thankfully multiple clips can be slected at a time to do a batch modify, but hopefully an adjustment will be made in the future (either in Premiere or by the camera manufacturer) so that this is no longer an issue.

[R Neil Haugen]

No, you're not going to get a change. Why? Because Pr is finally getting the color management (CM) options its needed for some time.

Your clips have probably a log or perhaps HLG tag from the camera. So ... Premiere is handling that media now as HDR media, unless you choose to overrided.

For most practical purposes, we will need to override, as there is little real HDR work being published anywhere now. Most is still Rec.709 as the vast majority of screens and TVs are still Rec.709.

But that will change over the next year or two, really. This "is the future!" ...

I've requested a full CM panel, where the user could set what default behaviors they want, and set overrides also. That would make it a LOT simpler.

From the 38 options we'd then have ... um ... 😉

Well, it would only all be in one location at least ...

Neil

[ellemartinez37]

Hello, thank you for posting these links!

I'm curious- because I am having the same issue, any ideas on how to fix this if the media is already in REC 709 in sequence settings?

I also tried to modify > interperet footage but the color management tab is greyed out and unavaiable.

The file I am working with is .mp4 HVEC from a video game capture card. Never had this problem until this week. Thanks in advance!

[R Neil Haugen]

Premiere has some oddities with CM at the moment. Including there a number of things that happen that I've been told by engineer's ain't what was supposed to happen. So they're having to work like crazy to fix some things.

Including things like what you're getting. Where the clip isn't being shown correctly, but you still don't have the full CM options. Well ... that's not supposed to happen. If Pr is treating the clip as if in non-Rec.709 space, it is supposed to have the options to change the space.

But for some media types, it doesn't. Hence, your issue.

So this is game capture? What other options for format/codec do you have available?

Neil

[ellemartinez37]

Hi Neil,

Thank you so much for your response. I feel silly, a few hours after posting this I realized I was mistakenly opening my file through Premiere 2020, which was the culprit! Premiere 2022 opened the file just fine and the video appears at the correct exposure in the preview, but now after exporting, it appears overexposed.

For context... With the file opened in v22, the source footage is in color space Rec. 2100 PQ. And leaving it as is and leaving sequence settings in Rec. 2100 PQ, preview appears correctly exposed..

When exporting, I made sure to change the export color space to Rec 2100 PQ but it is overexposed.

Alternately, I tried following the advice of interpereting the footage into Rec 709, changing the sequence setting to Rec 709 (which made the preview extremely underexposed and grey) and then trying to export in Rec 709, in which it also exported very underexposed/grey..

I've also toggled with Rec 2020, which resulted in the underexposed/grey effect as well.

Any ideas?

Thank you in advance!

[R Neil Haugen]

Any way you could get me the clip to work with here?

Neil

[ellemartinez37]

Here is the video I am working with through Google Drive. Apologies in advance, it is a large file.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-peY1u9b1oJFz2mkHa20lCuL8_ocRf3J/view?usp=sharing

[R Neil Haugen]

This is ... odd. The clip says both in MediaInfo and in Premiere's properties that it's Rec.709 ...

 

It has a noted color gamut issue with the magenta, certainly ... but otherwise, doesn't seem nearly to have the color volume I'd expect from either PQ or HLG.

And the upper right corner, 'sky' area going between blue and yellow ... is that clouds with blue sky, or a banding issue from being over-bright?

Neil

[ellemartinez37]

Hi Neil,

You are correct that is a banding issue. Sincerest apologies, my client shared with me the wrong link and I didn't double check before posting it. He shared with us the exported result (which we had mistakenly set to export as Rec 709)

Here is the actual original footage in Rec 2100 PQ. This is how the files are written from his capture device.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/142dNV9ID0ln5axZAe9zzl2j0wS0NIvAB/view?usp=sharing

[R Neil Haugen]

Downloaded, will work with this tomorrow.

Neil

[ellemartinez37]

Thank you for help and willingness to look at our file! Have you had a chance to see if it is showing up the same on your end?

[R Neil Haugen]

I've worked with that latest download both as PQ and overriden to Rec.709.

And exported both, successfully.

The Overriden to Rec.709 for media, on a Rec.709 sequence, used a standard ProRes 422 preset.

The PQ sequence used the ProRes 422 HQ PQ preset.

Both on import back into Premiere showed up correctly for what they were exported as.

So ... I was able to work with this clip both in Rec.709 and as an HDR-PQ clip.

Neil

[ellemartinez37]

Hi Neil,

I'm so confused as to what I am doing wrong. I appreciate that you found it workable, that is a great sign.

I tried to match my settings to what you outlined but I must be missing something. I spent last night toggling with my Nvidia graphics card settings to reduce any possibility of that affecting it.

Would you mind sharing a screenshot of your sequence settings/export settings for either Rec 709 or Rec 2100 PQ?

Here is what I experience.. first screenshot is converted to Rec 709 with my settings, footage appears dark.

Second screenshot is export settings after leaving it alone as Rec2100PQ with the Apple Pro Res 422 HQ on sequence settings, overexposed on export.

Thanks in advance!

[R Neil Haugen]

First, there is NOTHING in your Nvidia card settings you need to change! ESPECIALLY do not set it to video rang of "full". Period, ever, end of story. That's just wrong. If you want a lengthy explanation I can give it to you ... but ... just don't do that. That should be set to let the video player set color adjustments.

For the Rec.709 work, I simply went to the clip properties settings in the Project panel by right-clicking, Modify/Interpret Footage, using the CM controls set to Override to Rec.709.

Then I checked the Sequence settings to make sure that was set to Rec.709, made sure Lumetri gave me a proper image  between scopes and screen, and exported with a 'standard' ProRes setting.

For the HLG, I unticked the Override to Rec.709, went to the Sequence settings and changed that to PQ, set my monitor to HDR, set Lumetri to show a good image, then exported using the ProRes 422 HQ PQ preset.

Neil