Premiere Collaboration Feature with Shared Projects needs Duplicate Master Clips?

Report · Nov 28, 2017

Was really excited about diving into the shared project and collaboration features of Premiere. We're an Avid facility that has been interested in Premiere for a while, but could never justify it without real collaboration (it's really difficult for assistants).

I started digging through and I noticed that it's not working as I'd expect. I understand that if I have multiple projects open at once and I drag a sequence from one project to another, the media needs to travel with it. But that seems problematic for Shared Projects (or subprojects?) of the main project like Adobe shows in their examples.

This is the problem I'm having:

If I were to make a DAILIES shared project and a CUTS shared project and a SELECTS shared project, they all appear to need their own master clips. And each of those projects would now need their own management! I can't see a time where this is practical unless the shared projects are meant to be used by entirely separate teams, which makes me think I'm doing it wrong? The assistants are already performing a balancing act as it is. Having to manage duplicate media seems silly.

I'd love to know if I'm doing this incorrectly.

Report · Nov 28, 2017

You might be looking for Team Projects here. It's a paid service that I believe includes the kind of asset management you're looking for.

Report · Nov 28, 2017

I've looked into Teams, and it's not quite what we're looking for. It requires a really odd Push/Pull sync system that may make sense for people far away from each other, but not for people working on a local shared storage system. We tested it in-house when it was first in beta and people would constantly forget to push and pull their cuts. It felt a lot harder than Avid's "just save it normally" system. The Project Locking seems like it mimics that system, which we like.

Although its possible we were misusing Teams... I'd be great if that were the case.

Report · Nov 28, 2017

Take another look. It came out of beta with 2018.

Report · Nov 28, 2017

There's mixed messages on Team Projects on the website....

"

Team Projects is a hosted collaboration service that allows editors and motion graphics artists to work within Adobe Premiere Pro CC, After Effects CC, Adobe Prelude CC, and Adobe Media Encoder CC.

This service is available for Creative Cloud enterprise customers and Creative Cloud customers with all Apps, Premiere Pro Single App, or After Effects Single app subscriptions.

"

AND

"Team Projects available only for Creative Cloud for enterprise and Creative Cloud for teams."

Report · Nov 28, 2017

Really we want to be able to copy bins at finder level, like Avid 😉

Report · Nov 28, 2017

Yeah exactly. This is what I thought Collaboration was going to be. Right now there are two separate features from what I understand:

TEAMS - which is a separate tier for pricing and uses cloud-based projects and a special media management system.

COLLABORATION - this is for local shared storage like a SAN where editors could accidentally open another person's project. Now they do project locking, extremely similar to BIN locking. And to make it more confusing, they have the option for "shared projects" which actually feel like subprojects... or Avid bins. So inside the project folder in the finder, there are new "shared" projects. And they can be opened and locked similar to Avid bins.

The problem I'm having, as stated above, is every subproject's sequences need to have the master clips from that sequence. So every subproject is littered with seemingly duplicate master clips.

Report · Nov 28, 2017

Yes I'm just venturing into the world of shared projects here, prompted by Jim elsewhere & your post here.

In cutting in from one shared project to another I see your example gets even worse when there are multiple sources in multiple folders - the folder structure has to come across too.

I can 'hide' the mess that is created, by creating a smart bin with just the 'current cut' as the search term & just viewing that...

Report · Nov 28, 2017

It's worse than that - there are multiple instances of the same folder, for no apparent reason, and the folders are seemingly empty, but cannot be deleted without deleting clips (I think because there is a 'hide the master clips you didn't really want to see' option somewhere I haven't found yet - but it doesn't extend to folders)

Report · Jul 18, 2018

Having this EXACT same issue. Doing a feature film. Three workstations. Shared storage.

I have a hard time believing that we are the only ones with this problem given all of the big productions that are allegedly cutting in Premiere now.

I hope I am doing something that's causing this duplicate master clip issue in sub-projects so that I can fix it and get to work. But, if not, I will have to start from scratch and go back to cutting in Avid.

Report · Aug 29, 2018

Yeah, same issue here. Master Project with multiple shared projects or "bins" for certain types of media as well as a "work" bin for main editor and assistants. Every time media is moved from one bin to another it creates an additional folder and duplicate media. This is useless, in my opinion. Might as well scrap the whole thing and disable the feature. I'm starting on a year-long feature documentary project and this is going to create a bigger mess than if we just did it the old way.

Wish I could switch to Avid but the production has already started in Premiere...

Or maybe Adobe will actually update this feature so it's useful?