Premiere Pro 25.2.1 - Captions and White Graphics Aren't White

[Corey G]

I'm using the updated Color Managment tools in Lumetri and I can't get the white text to be white in my project. I've tried the settings to overriding the color space and nothing I change effects the luminance of the white text. The graphics and captions are showing about 75 IRE no matter what I do. 

Current Premiere Pro Version - 25.2.1

Mac OS Sequoia - 15.3.2

[James31378462ph18]

The problem with your trick is that after overriding to a new color space, any attempt to change the color of a graphic element results in a color shift. For example, I was editing in a Wide Gamut color space and overrode the graphic element to the color space you suggested last time. However, when I try to change the element’s color, there is still a noticeable shift. If I set it to yellow, it appears greenish, and so on...

[R Neil Haugen]

That would be so annoying!

But I can't replicate on either my desktop or laptop, both PC. With either graphics from the 'stock' suggestion panel or I've created in Premiere.

Display color management off on my desktop ... as the reference monitor there is highly calibrated/profiled, and I don't want Premiere messing with that. Soon I'll install the Decklink card and not need have this off.

Display color management definitely on in my desktop ... so I'm working both ways, and it's ... working.

Auto detect log, and auto tonemapping on.

Wide gamut sequence, tonemapped, ACES cct, input tonemapping and gamut compression.

HLG override is often the simplest to choose, you might then prefer to set the Graphics White option ... there is a slight difference between 100 nits and 203 when working in an SDR Rec.709 output setting.

But I can control this as needed on both the desktop and laptop, including a clean yellow ... so I wonder what is the difference between our systems and setups ... ?

Puzzler.  

[JOHN MONDO]

I think what is different in your setup is you are working in the Rec709 workspace. I'm try to work in the HLG workspace because that is the the source workspace and it avoids any colour transformations at all and then output in HEVC HLG2100 with the HDR10 metadata switch turned on. That is when the inbuilt captions don't work. Note we are talking captions here not graphics. Some graphics appear to work correctly with preserve RGB turned on and some don't. 

[JOHN MONDO]

You cannot change the inbuilt captions in PP. You cannot apply Lumetri effects to them. They only show the traditional 256 levels in the colour wheel. 

[R Neil Haugen]

That would be a problem. Definitely. 

[Jared27586897fnv0]

I've been working this same problem. The suggestion to revert to an SDR workflow is one approach, but it completely defeats the purpose of an intermediate color space, which is the whole point of the new CM! So frustrating. Here's what works for me:

1. Do your edit and color in ACES, as you've been doing, with a Wide Gamut setup, and Output conversion to your delivery standard.

2. Nest that sequence into a new sequence (Direct SDR by default—or whatever your delivery standard is)

3. Add your graphics in the new sequence.

It's not perfect, and it would be frustrating if you have a ton of graphics, but it's working for me, for now, while we wait for a fix.