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R Neil Haugen
R Neil Haugen
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October 15, 2018
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Premiere Pro CC (13.0) changes

  • October 15, 2018
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This is the release day for the new 13.x version of PrPro. Here's an Adobe blog link  ...

New and enhanced features | Latest release of Premiere Pro CC

I have a demo of doing a salvage color correction using the new Curves tooks in Lumetri here

PremierePro CC 2019 Lumetri Curves Demo - YouTube

And a blog post where I've posted some answers from Lars Borg, senior color engineer for Premiere Pro CC, on the new Preferences option to Enable Display Color Management ...

Premiere Pro CC 2019 What does the Enable Display Color Management option … do? – rNeilphotog

Neil 

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    mike@citizenfilm.org
    mike@citizenfilm.org
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    February 20, 2019

    Neil, thanks for the helpful posts. Can you confirm something for me? I think I understand, but am not quite sure.

    1) I'm running Premiere on an iMac Retina 5k set to its default color profile. When I enable "Enable Display Color Management" within Premiere, the Premiere viewers are now compensating for the iMac's color profile, so that what I see in the Source and Program windows are Rec 709. Is that right?

    2) In the above scenario, am I looking at Gamma 2.2 or Gamma 2.4 within Premiere?

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil HaugenAuthor
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    February 20, 2019

    Pr is attempting to adapt the internal monitor displays to the Mac P3, but some other users have reported varying success rates with this to "pretty ... ok ... " to " ... um ... not a help ... ".

    The best results have been had by folks going into their Mac OS display settings and finding the Rec.709 settting, and using that.

    Pr is working internally assuming gamma 2.4.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
    mike@citizenfilm.org
    mike@citizenfilm.org
    Known Participant
    February 21, 2019

    It is attempting to do B.

    Pr isn't designed nor coded to work in P3, it is a massively different space. As another user here has reported, the image displayed even varies quite a bit between the various sizes of Mac P3 monitors ... each size has a slight but clear difference in the way it shows hue, gamma, and contrast.

    And don't worry about 'beating a dead horse' ... clarity & understanding are really needed here.

    And another thing needed here ... is for Pr to have the ability to allow users to tell it 1) what the media is for space, 2) what the monitor is for space, and 3) what space we want to work in and/or export into.

    Up until recently, there were only a very few things that needed Rec.2020, all b-cast was pure sRGB/Rec.709, and as web was "close enough" at image (not video) sRGB, it didn't matter. And one hoped one's monitor could actually cover at least 90% of video sRGB.

    Well ... more b-cast is going Rec.2020, thar be wide-gamut monitors and TVs in more and more places, and even the vastly wider dynamic-range DolbyVision is coming into b-cast use. It's wild & woolly out there for what each user may need to deliver in/for/to, and we really need more controls. It isn't going to get simpler.

    Neil


    Thanks so much for this, Neil. Now I see that if I set my iMac to Rec 709 2.4, that the image in Premiere doesn't change when I toggle that preference. If I set my iMac to P3, then the image does change when I toggle the preference. So maybe I'll leave the iMac at Rec 709 2.4 as you suggested. At least I know I'll be grading to Rec 709 (as far as my setup will allow) and then figure out an adjustment when needed for other displays.

    Interestingly, I think the equivalent setting in Resolve —"Use Mac Display Color Profiles for Viewers" —does the exact opposite — it makes its viewers P3 if the Mac display is set for P3. Similarly, if I set the Mac to Rec 709 2.4, toggling the option creates no difference.

    MyerPj
    Community Expert
    MyerPjCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    October 15, 2018

    Excellent video R Neil Haugen​, gave you the first like!

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil HaugenAuthor
    Legend
    October 16, 2018

    Thanks ... I've never been a big curves fan, and especially with that big Elements panel on my desk I like the tools ported to that.

    But those new curves make using the HSL panel unnecessary for many clips, and process faster.

    They're some of the slickest curves I've used.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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    WaccaWacca
    Inspiring
    October 15, 2018

    Hi,

    looking forward to using the new color settings! In the preferences: Enable Display Color Management

    is grayed out for me :-(

    There is a little note saying that "this feature requires GPU acceleration"  which is wonderfully non-specific.

    Which GPU is required?

    thanks

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil HaugenAuthor
    Legend
    October 16, 2018

    13.x moves forward on gear supported for two reasons: manufacturers and the OSs have moved forward and trying to get stability they're removing extra code that is only used by a smaller percentage of total user base.

    I've seen the cutoff for 13, but don't recall precisely. Might be the 900 series for Nvidia. I know no 600 cards are supported.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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    WaccaWacca
    Inspiring
    October 16, 2018

    I'm using an NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2080.

    It seems to work for most things, e.g. rendering is quite happy with it but I was really hoping for Display Color Management to work :-(

    I think I will post this as a separate topic as it might get a bit lost buried in here.

    mark

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil HaugenAuthor
    Legend
    October 15, 2018

    And check out Jarle Leirpoll's page ...

    Premierepro.net

    ... for his comments and his new book on making Mogrts, an excellent primer on creating motion graphics templates with specialized features for use in Premiere Pro.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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