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R Neil Haugen
R Neil Haugen
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October 15, 2018
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Premiere Pro CC (13.0) changes

  • October 15, 2018
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This is the release day for the new 13.x version of PrPro. Here's an Adobe blog link  ...

New and enhanced features | Latest release of Premiere Pro CC

I have a demo of doing a salvage color correction using the new Curves tooks in Lumetri here

PremierePro CC 2019 Lumetri Curves Demo - YouTube

And a blog post where I've posted some answers from Lars Borg, senior color engineer for Premiere Pro CC, on the new Preferences option to Enable Display Color Management ...

Premiere Pro CC 2019 What does the Enable Display Color Management option … do? – rNeilphotog

Neil 

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    mike@citizenfilm.org
    mike@citizenfilm.org
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    February 20, 2019

    Neil, thanks for the helpful posts. Can you confirm something for me? I think I understand, but am not quite sure.

    1) I'm running Premiere on an iMac Retina 5k set to its default color profile. When I enable "Enable Display Color Management" within Premiere, the Premiere viewers are now compensating for the iMac's color profile, so that what I see in the Source and Program windows are Rec 709. Is that right?

    2) In the above scenario, am I looking at Gamma 2.2 or Gamma 2.4 within Premiere?

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil HaugenAuthor
    Legend
    February 20, 2019

    Pr is attempting to adapt the internal monitor displays to the Mac P3, but some other users have reported varying success rates with this to "pretty ... ok ... " to " ... um ... not a help ... ".

    The best results have been had by folks going into their Mac OS display settings and finding the Rec.709 settting, and using that.

    Pr is working internally assuming gamma 2.4.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
    mike@citizenfilm.org
    mike@citizenfilm.org
    Known Participant
    February 21, 2019

    I use the Davinci YRGB Color Managed Rec.709 Gamma 2.4 ... and I can move 10-bit files between the two meshing perfectly.

    I'm on a PC set for video sRGB/Rec.709 gamma 2.4 with an i1Pro puck/software setup. Bars/tones show identically on my confidence monitor in both apps.

    Pr scopes are unclamped, Waveform type set to YC or YC No Chroma ... and the little box on the bottom right next to "clamp" is set to 8-bit. All that "8-bit" option does is change the scaling on the scopes, now the right-side scale is showing proper video 16-235 numbers matched with 0-100 IRE on the left side. SMPTE color bars out of Resolve show the same scopes then as Pr ... first, the Resolve Waveform scope ...

    And now the Waveform YC No Chroma unclampled 8-bit in Pr ...

    Again, the 8 Bit setting is only in charge of the scale numbers on the right-side. The options are 8 Bit, Float, and Rec.2020. It would be nice if they included a 10-bit option for scale display, but you just need to know if your media is 10 bit, those numbers on the right represent the same thing as shown in the Resove scale left-side above. I've requested 10-bit scale option in the Lumetri scopes ... and am hoping we get that someday.

    Pr's Lumetri effect internally handles all media in 32 bit float, and as some of the Legacy color tools are 8-bit, do NOT use any Legacy color tools that don't show the 32 bit and/or YUV lego-blocks in the Effects panel.

    And ... when you use say the RGB Parade and it's showing the 0-255 scale on the right side, that is intended to show how the image will be mapped to the monitor for display. It is NOT how Pr is "viewing" the media internally.

    Neil


    Great stuff, Neil. Thank you!

    Since you're a Resolve user, can you confirm that my understanding of its "Use Mac Display Color Profiles for Viewers" is correct - that it does the exact opposite of the equivalent Premiere option?

    MyerPj
    Community Expert
    MyerPjCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    October 15, 2018

    Excellent video R Neil Haugen​, gave you the first like!

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil HaugenAuthor
    Legend
    October 16, 2018

    Thanks ... I've never been a big curves fan, and especially with that big Elements panel on my desk I like the tools ported to that.

    But those new curves make using the HSL panel unnecessary for many clips, and process faster.

    They're some of the slickest curves I've used.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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    WaccaWacca
    Inspiring
    October 15, 2018

    Hi,

    looking forward to using the new color settings! In the preferences: Enable Display Color Management

    is grayed out for me :-(

    There is a little note saying that "this feature requires GPU acceleration"  which is wonderfully non-specific.

    Which GPU is required?

    thanks

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil HaugenAuthor
    Legend
    October 16, 2018

    13.x moves forward on gear supported for two reasons: manufacturers and the OSs have moved forward and trying to get stability they're removing extra code that is only used by a smaller percentage of total user base.

    I've seen the cutoff for 13, but don't recall precisely. Might be the 900 series for Nvidia. I know no 600 cards are supported.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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    WaccaWacca
    Inspiring
    October 16, 2018

    I'm using an NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2080.

    It seems to work for most things, e.g. rendering is quite happy with it but I was really hoping for Display Color Management to work :-(

    I think I will post this as a separate topic as it might get a bit lost buried in here.

    mark

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil HaugenAuthor
    Legend
    October 15, 2018

    And check out Jarle Leirpoll's page ...

    Premierepro.net

    ... for his comments and his new book on making Mogrts, an excellent primer on creating motion graphics templates with specialized features for use in Premiere Pro.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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