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Project/Bin Headers: How to change what is displayed with greater speed and ease

  • July 9, 2018
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Currently control over which headers (i.e. Metadata columns) are displayed in the Project/Bin Panel is a bit on the clumsy side.

When editing the need to update what info is displayed in what moment is a constantly and fast changing thing.  The Bin Panel displays need to keep pace.

For instance...

  In one moment you want to see your project items' Media Duration or Start time.

  The next you're thinking content, and it's Description / Comments

  Then for media management you're looking at OS File Path & Name.

  It on and on: Frame Rate (24, 23.976, 30, etc), Aspect Ratio, Video & Audio Usage, Proxy Connects and Paths.

...the faster and more efficient the ability to switch between Bin Panel columns the better.

Unfortunately this aspect of PPro is encumbered in a few ways:

  a) Changing the headers involves at least 5 clicks:

  1 - Open Metadata Display Popup (right click column headers)

  2 - Choose Metadata display...

  3 - Settings Pulldown

  4 - Select Setting

  5 - OK button

  b) Step 3 above reveals a list of items listed in hard-to-reckon order.  It's not alphabetical.  Maybe order of creation?  Whatever it is, it's not easily or obviously manageable.

  Compare all that to Avid which has a single pull-down menu that maintains alphabetical order and takes 2 clicks to change a Bin View.

Some improvements that would transform this corner of PPro:

  - Ability to switch Bin Displays from directly within a Bin Panel in 1 or two clicks

  - Ability to remove a column from directly within a Bin Panel (Doesn't delete the data, just the visibility of the column)

  - Ability to add custom Metadata Properties by directly typing them into empty space in the Property Headers bar (If custom property does yet not exist, it gets added. If it does, any pre-existing property data populates the column)

  - Ability to save a Metadata Display view from directly within a Bin Panel

  - Ability to not only sort based on a column, but also sub-sort, sub-sub-sort, so that columns with repeating values can be sub-sorted on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th columns etc.

These features would greatly increase ease of asset management, navigation, and the ability to organize and find media quickly and easily.

Feature request posted here: Ability to Change Bin Columns with greater speed and ease – Adobe video & audio apps

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      Mike Dziennik
      Community Expert
      Mike DziennikCommunity Expert
      Community Expert
      July 10, 2018

      The metadata columns are saved as part of the workspace layout so assuming you always worked with the same panel layouts you could assign a schema to different workspaces and then switch workspace with one click/button. Not pretty but it might work for some.

      Premiopolis
      PremiopolisAuthor
      Inspiring
      July 10, 2018

      mikedzk  wrote

      The metadata columns are saved as part of the workspace layout so assuming you always worked with the same panel layouts you could assign a schema to different workspaces and then switch workspace with one click/button. Not pretty but it might work for some.

      It actually might, but it could also get messy quickly.

      It turns out -- for those patient enough to deal with ExtendScript, showing / hiding columns can be controlled programatically.  Testing this.  So far it not only works, it may end up being an approach that beats PPro's current UI and even Avid's.

        Mike Dziennik
        Community Expert
        Mike DziennikCommunity Expert
        Community Expert
        July 10, 2018

        Interested to hear the results...

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        excited_Genie16B8
        Legend
        July 9, 2018

        Keep all the columns you will need open.  Scroll horizontally to the ones you wish to see in the moment.

        Premiopolis
        PremiopolisAuthor
        Inspiring
        July 9, 2018

        Jim_Simon  wrote

        Keep all the columns you will need open.  Scroll horizontally to the ones you wish to see in the moment.

        So imagine the following scenarios:

        For 5 minutes I care about seeing only those items that were shot in UHD that have or don't have Proxies.

        (Relevant columns are "Video Info", "Proxy", "Proxy Media File Path"

        5 minutes later a producer is wondering if what we shot on June 15 was UHD vs HD.

        (Relevant columns are "Video Info", "Creation Date" (or "Shot Date").

        and 5 minutes later I need to know the footage shot by Victor (one of several shooters) featured b-roll of a chemical factory (there are several).

        (Relevant columns are "Director Photography", "Description")

        What I don't want are 200 columns on display, scrolling back and forth to make these correlations.

        I'm looking for definitive answers to complex questions in short order.

        I care about seeing only the relevant ones, sorting (and sub-sorting) those columns to get answers quickly and easily.

        This is every day all day.

        Premiopolis
        PremiopolisAuthor
        Inspiring
        July 10, 2018

        Adobe.com/go/wish should lead you to the new feature request site. Paste link to request back here and I would add +1 to it.

        Absolutely there are some very fundamental  Avid features that Adobe have not copied yet (its main inspiration was FCP7).

        Bin & clip metadata display is much more mature in Avid. (cf timecode burn-in - in avid theres all kinds of metadata available)


        Trevor_Asq  wrote

        Adobe.com/go/wish should lead you to the new feature request site. Paste link to request back here and I would add +1 to it.\

        Ability to Change Bin Columns with greater speed and ease – Adobe video & audio apps

        Trevor_Asq  wrote

        Absolutely there are some very fundamental  Avid features that Adobe have not copied yet (its main inspiration was FCP7).

        Bin & clip metadata display is much more mature in Avid. (cf timecode burn-in - in avid theres all kinds of metadata available)

        PPro v Avid Tradeoffs

        Avid is better in the following ways:

        - More fluent UI when it comes to changing "Bin Views" (aka "Metadata Display..." in PPro)

        - Presents list of Bin Views in alphabetical order (vs seemingly random order in PPro)

        - Allows multi-column sorting: sort, sub-sort, sub-sub-sort, etc (vs PPro which is single-column only sorting, as far as I know.

        Premiere however...

        - Works more fluently with Metadata, giving it greater ability to cross-communicate with other apps.  It's truly brilliant on this front.

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