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Rec. 709 and Log C

Community Beginner ,
May 30, 2023 May 30, 2023

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Hello Adobe community,

 

I'm a bit confused regarding how to see footage in Rec 709 and Log and hopefully you can help me. 

The DOP says that he shot the footage In LOG, but after I imported the footage in Adobe, and I go to properties, it shows that the Color Space is REC 709. Also, when i go to Interpret Footage, down below, it says Color Space from Source file: Rec 709. I don't think I'm seeing my imported footage in LOG, even if I override with S-Log 3 Gamut.

It's not be an issue how I see it, but I might need to do an export for the Grade, like an Apple Prores 4444, and I want to send it correctly, like in LOG. I have the feeling when i export, the color space is overrided with LOG. 

Hope I was clear and thank you in advance!

 

All the best!

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LEGEND ,
May 30, 2023 May 30, 2023

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Log is a data recording method, not a color space.  Logarithmically encoded data is encoded on specific curves, kinda looking like part of a parmetric curve. Rather than being encoded in a linear fashion.

 

So uncorrected log files tend to look low contrast and washed out for color until you "normalize" them back to the (more) linear normal viewing curve.

 

To further help confuse things, Premiere Pro now has an auto- function to tonemap log data to the timeline color space for many log formats. So you don't see the 'log' look even to begin with.

 

Log encoded media isn't supposed to end up looking "log" ... it's just a way to capture data to file. It's expected to be 'normalized' before exporting. Which in the past has been done manually (expand contrast/saturation, adjust "exposure" whites/blacks in color correction) or via using some normalization LUT.

 

Now, there are things like tone-mapping to normalize log media. Tone-mapping will look a bit different than any normalization LUT that may have been in use ... just like ALL normalization LUTs for any particular log media will be a bit different from each other.

 

I will say that in general tonemapping is the 'safer' way to normalize log encoded media. It doesn't get hammered by the clip being a bit more or less exposed than the LUT was built for handling. Which has always been a bugaboo with LUT based normalization practices.

 

Changing to working with tonemapped clips means of course doing some changes to the color corrections you will end up going with. Just as you have to do with  LUT based normalization. Just ... different.

 

But probably safer to your pixels.

 

Neil

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May 30, 2023 May 30, 2023

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Hi Neil, 

 

Thank you very much for all the explanations and for taking the time to answer!

Just one more question, please. if you don't mind me asking. Is there a setting that I need to take into consideration if I have to export a short film in something like Apple Proress 4444 for a grader or post house, instead of sending the source footage? I know I need to disable any LUT, but I want to make sure I export a correct version, like the DOP shot the footage in LOG-C, without any conversionts or color space overrides that Adobe Premiere might put. I've attached screenshots with my Sequence Settings, Interpret Footage and how I think I should export. Maybe everything is fine, but just want to make sure I got everything right. 

Apologise, if I am a bit confusing.

Thank you very much! 

 

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LEGEND ,
May 30, 2023 May 30, 2023

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If you deselect the "auto tonemap" option, you may get the log-encoded media 'straight'. Looking log-ish.

 

I would test that process immediately with any prospective colorist. Put a clip on a sequence with auto tonemap enabled, export the ProRes444, and then do another with the tonemap off. If that does look more 'log', try an export of that to the same settings.

 

As testing as early in the process as possible is always better ...

 

Neil

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Jun 01, 2023 Jun 01, 2023

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Thank you very much for the advice, Neil! 

I've sent it and waiting for an answer. 

All the best!

 

Razvan

 

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