Reverse Match Frame not finding the frame in any other/duplicate clip

[zopfans@g]

Suppose I've clip-1 loaded in timeline and I command 'Match Frame' from Source Panel and immediately the clip is loaded in Source Monitor and exact frame located.

Now I load a duplicate copy of the same clip, Clip-1B into timeline (into the same sequence or other sequence in both cases same result), and highlight Src Pnl and command 'Reverse Match Frame'. But it doesn't find the desired frame in this 'Clip-1B' on timeline. If I load the clip1 on the sequence, then 'Reverse Match Frame' works and brings the playhead/cti on that very frame in Tline. But not on the Clip1-b.

Why, isn't this command meant to find the exact same frame in different/other/duplicate clips?

[PaulMurphy]

Both Match Frame and Reverse Match Frame will only locate the same Project instance of the clip, the same as if you choose Reveal in Project.

If you have two different Project clips with the same media and want to identify the frames from this media in the timeline, drag one of the clips into your timeline. Then click the Timeline Display Settings wrench and turn on Show Duplicate Frame Markers. This will identify duplicate frames based on the media path, not the Project clip.

Cheers,
Paul

[zopfans@g]

1. I've created the copy of the clip in the same project, even in same bin. 

2. If I turn on the option 'show duplicate frame markers' in the tl wrench menu, then both these clips do show blue horizontal line to show that both are having same video/media.

3. If I right click any of the two media clips in tl> reveal in the project, then the respective media clip gets highlighted in the project bin.

Hope I'm providing right information. I've researched many hours googling on this problem without any success. 

[PaulMurphy]

Yes, this is expected behavior in those examples.

If you had Clip-1 in the timeline and pressed Match Frame, you wouldn't expect it to load Clip-1B in the Source Monitor, correct? Match Frame and Reverse Match Frame will only load and locate the Project clip that was used to create it.

If you duplicate this clip in the Project panel, it becomes a separate and unique clip that is not connected to the clip it was duplicated from.

Cheers,
Paul

[zopfans@g]

Thanks for your explanation. 

But my scene seems to be a bit different, if I'm not mistaken. 

Seq1 has clip1 loaded in it. And I command match frame. And frame is matched in the source monitor. 

Then I open another seq which has clip 1b on it (1b is the exact copy of the clip1 and has been created from the same master clip). And I highlight source monitor and command reverse match frame (I expect to go to same frame in clip 1b).

Isn't this possible? Is there any other way to locate same frame in two diff clips. 

[PaulMurphy]

I might be unclear what you mean by "Clip 1b was created from the same masterclip"?

Do you mean you loaded Clip1 in the Source Monitor and then added that to another sequence?

[zopfans@g]

Suppose I had 10 min master clip and created 2 sub-clips from it which are almost identical. All are in the same project. 

What are the way(s) by which I could find a frame existing in one clip, in the 2nd clip? It may be possible that first clip has that frame at the beginning and 2nd has that same frame at 10 seconds.

What I'm doing right now is that load 1st clip in TL, command Match Frame, then load the 2nd clip on the same timeline and delete the 1st clip from it. 

Then hightlight the Src Pnl (Src Pnl is still showing the same frame, which was found by Match Frame) and command 'Reverse Match Frame'. I expect that PP would now find the same frame in the clip-2. 

Is it possible? If not, is there any way to locate some frame in diff clips (in the same Project)?

[PaulMurphy]

Match Frame and Reverse Match Frame only work within the same unique instance of a clip in the Project panel. This means they look up the timecode for the exact clip you’re working with, identified by a unique ID in Premiere.

If you have a subclip or multiple instances of a clip, each one has a different ID, so you can't match frames between them directly.

To visually identify duplicate frames across different clips (including subclips) that share the same media, you can use Show Duplicate Frame Markers. This will highlight frames that are duplicated in your timeline.

Cheers,
Paul

[zopfans@g]

Thank you very much. This answers 99% of my query. 
Can you pls tell is there any other way to find an exact frame of clip one in Clip2 (i.e. when we're sure that clip2 does have that very frame)??

I know one workaround though: Keep the clip2 one track above the clip1 track. And set the blending mode of clip2 to 'Difference' now whereever the exact frame will match, it'd show almost the dark, otherwise confusing/garbled pixels will show at all other places.

Do you know any other similar, but easier way? I wished something like 'Reverse Match Frame'.?

[PaulMurphy]

You could try this:

1. Select your subclip in the timeline, and press Match Frame to load the subclip in the Source Monitor.
2. With the Source Monitor still active, press Match Frame again to load the original master clip in the Source Monitor.
3. Go to Clip > Replace with Clip > From Source Monitor, Match Frame. This will replace the subclip in the timeline with the master clip.
4. Now you should be able to use Reverse Match Frame with the master clip.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Paul

[zopfans@g]

Great!!

Although this solution is enough for my current problem, but this solution would work only to find a frame of one subclip-1 in the master frame (by commanding 'Match Frame' two times in a row). This was indeed new for me.

But is there some trick or work around to find the some frame of Sub-clip1, in other sub-clip2 (both subclips have almost identical frames, and are in same bin and same project)?

[zopfans@g]

Great!!

Although this solution is enough for my current problem, but this solution would work only to find a frame of one subclip-1 in the master clip (by commanding 'Match Frame' two times in a row). This was indeed new for me.

But is there some trick or work around to find the some frame of Sub-clip1, in other sub-clip2 (both subclips have almost identical frames, and are in same bin and same project)?