SLog3 footage coming in with LUT applied, unable to change or remove.

[Hecubus114]

I recently update to Premiere 2022, and now I am unable to grade ir color correct any footage I import from my Sony FX6. The clips are SLog3. When I import them into Premiere, they have the appearance of a LUT already having been applied (I assume rec709, as that it about hwo I expect them to look). However, if I click on any clip, and interpret footage, Premiere claims no LUT has been applied. Oddly enough, if I open any of the source clips, they appear correct (flat, with no color grading applied). But if I bring them into the timeline, they become just like all the others, with the colors changed. Source tab for any clips in the effects window is completely empty, so there is no LUT there to remove.

Especially frustrating is that I CANNOT change/grade/color correct any of the clips beyond how Premiere imports them. Not adjustments in Lumetri have any impact. I don't feel like I am doing anything incorrectly here, but perhaps there is something I am overlooking about how this works in the new version? I did everything exactly the same in the previous version, and had zero issues like this.

Specs:

Premiere 22.0.0

macOS Big Sur 11.2.1

iMac 27 inch 2019

Processor: 3.6 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9

Memory:  64 GB 2400 MHz DDR4

Graphics: Radeon Pro Vega 48 8 GB

[bam11247]

I don't care if you refer to it as a LUT or a fundemental color management change, the fact of the matter is it is completely off of what it's supposed to look like and is a completely useless implementation that has only messed up our workflows and added extra steps for us to take to correct it. 

You tell the idiots in Upper Managment that they make terrible decicsions and we're pissed! 

[R Neil Haugen]

Hey, I'm a user like you, right?

And yes, I've made plenty of comments publicly here, in emails/messages to staffers, and at NAB last week. As much as can be done and remain polite.

So yea, it's been a HUGE change, not all their work has worked out as expected, and they're working their tails off (given the number of people on staff, not nearly as many as most people assume) to try and get reliable fixes out.

And yea, they've noted the problems especially for quite a few Panny/Sony and some Canon users. The last couple patches really knocked down the issues for most Panny/Canon users. I expect with the changes in the public beta, most Sony issues will be fixed soon.

Neil

[Harry Lime]

This sucks.  I want to go back to 2021 how do I do that?

[default42gkyhpowwr9]

Open the Creative Cloud app, find Premiere (or other program) and at the righthand side are 3 dots, click on those and select 'Other Versions' and then it lists older versions that can be installed. You can then chose to uninstall 2022 as well.

[Baffy19]

 

[Harry Lime]

thank you!  but I tried that and the three dots only give me the option to uninstall or learn more.  i've changed my preferences to not auto update, I've quit out of creative cloud, I've uninstalled and reinstalled 2022 but still no option to install older versions....

[R Neil Haugen]

That's weird! In my CC Desktop, in the All Apps tab, I click on the three-dot menut and get Learn More, Other Versions, and Uninstall. Wonder why the difference?

Neil

[Hecubus114]

Yeah, I was able to go back to 2021 with the method listed above... interesting...

[Hecubus114]

Actually I just did a little research and apprently in CC preferences, you can turn on or off "Show Older Apps", so Harry Lime, you probably have that switched to off.

[Harry Lime]

I've turned off auto update, I've turned on "show older versions" and then quit CC and reopened and still this is what I get:

I am using a university license - could this be an administrator thing???

[Hecubus114]

Have you found this screen in the preferences, under "Apps"?

 

[Hecubus114]

Sorry, I didn't read what you wrote close enough... strange the option is still not there after turning this on. 

[Baffy19]

you won't find it if, when switching to a new version at the time of the update, you didn't uncheck: delete old versions.

[Warren Heaton]

@Harry Lime 

Harry, go to https://helpx.adobe.com/contact.html and click the "Contact Us" pop-up at the lower right of your web browser.

This starts with automated support, but enter something like "Unable to install previous version".  You should be connected to a live person after a brief wait.  The support agent will ask for your Adobe ID and will be able to immediately determine if they can assist you or if you need to reach out to your university administrator.

The Show Older Apps preference and having unchecked delete old versions does not affect what appears under the More Options list. 

It may be worth reviewing this Adobe support article as well:

• Not all apps displayed for download | Creative Cloud desktop app
  https://helpx.adobe.com/in/creative-cloud/kb/all-apps-displayed-aam.html

[Warren Heaton]

@Hecubus114 

Taking another look at your system specs, try updating to at least Big Sur 11.4.

It wasn't until 11.4 that I felt that things were stable on the Adobe side.

Also, try downloading the sample S-Log3 clips of singer/songwriter Gorm Bloch posted by Claus Anderson for a base test:  https://filmplusgear.com/sony-fx6-test-files-for-download/

Both the wide shot and close-up of Gorm performing behave as expected in both Premiere Pro 15.4.1 and Premiere Pro 22.0 on my 2017 iMac Pro (macOS Big Sur 11.5, 3 Ghz 10-Core Intel Xeon W, 64 GB 2666 MHz DDR4 RAM, Radeon Pro Vega 56 8 GB graphics).

- Warren

[Hecubus114]

I am going to attempt to update my OS tonight, after I do a backup. We'll see if it matters at all in regards to this issue.

[MarcRyan71]

I'm having a somewhat related issue. I upgraded to 2022 and when I opened a project (it was converted) my color corrected sequence had my Lumetri effects parameters missing but only on some shots. I had effects stacked and renamed, but when I opened them, the parameters are reset to default. Also, any clips with CanonS300 LUT applied had those properties disappear. You cannot select CanonS300 in the pulldown any more. When I tried to import it as a new one, it did nothing to the shot. Now, when I remove the Lumetri effect, the shot looks corrected and no longer LogC. Strange. Thankfully, this project was already delivered, I just needed to add new clips to the project.

[R Neil Haugen]

Just a bit of advice ... I do not recommed ever simply opening a project from one version in the next version. If there are any differences between the two in color management or data management, this will cause issues.

It is better to create a new project in the new version, and then in the MediaBrowser panel, select the old project file and import the assets of that project into the new one. This also ensures you have the old project unsullied and available for use if the new version has problems.

Neil

[MarcRyan71]

Hi Neil. I didn't know it wanted to create a new version until after I launched the project. When it did, it said it needed to update the project and leave the old version alone. I accepted and that is when I discovered the LUTs are not correct and my Lumetri Color Effects are set back to default. -- I just now tried to import the project to see if that helped my color corrected sequences and it did not. The issue persists. Not only can I no longer find the CanonS300 LUT in the pulldown (it came with Premiere...I did not manually move any files anywhere on the sytem drive), but only SOME of my Lumetri effects are reset back to default parameters. I think this is a bug. I can either wait for Premiere to update this issue...or roll back to Premiere 2021. However. I've been working for the last two weeks on projects which had no color corrected timelines and I'm not sure about going back a version. I may be stuck with 2022 and have to re-correct the shots that blew up. I also will no longer be using the CanonS300 LUT any more. I fill find an alternative.

[R Neil Haugen]

I can still see Canon C300 LUTs in the Effects/Lumetri Presets/Speedlooks/Camera listing in 2022. You can't?

Neil

[MarcRyan71]

My bad...it is still there. Thanks for the location string. I just got used to seeing it on my Lumetri interface with Input Lut and Creative under the Lumetri Color panel. I'm going to re-correct those shots when I need to. It is still strange that only the clips that have the SL Neutral Start Canon S300 LUT are the ones where all my corrections of been reset.

[R Neil Haugen]

That particular LUT may have been changed in the new version.

Neil

[CarolynSylvester]

I'm having the same problem all of a sudden.  I change the setting in Clip:Modify:interpret footage:colourspace:REC709.    But now I can't use Lumetri colour to grade it - as soon as I try it adds another random LUT that I haven't added.

[R Neil Haugen]

Is the sequence set to Rec.709?

I've used a bunch of clips from different users and my own material. Standard Rec.709 through HLG and PQ clips. And if both the clip and the sequence are Rec.709, it's works as expected.

I'm curious about the "random LUT" ... so when you touch any control, what happens to the image?

Neil

[CarolynSylvester]

Up unntil this morning everything was working fine.  I added an SLOG-3 clip onto an existing timeline, and it appeared on the timeline looking as if a LUT had been applied.  But in Lumetri Colour it was reading that there was no LUT applied.  So I went into Media - clip-