Standard colour profile with no grading

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November 8, 2023
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Hello..

I'm making a very simple video that needs to have plain colour backgrounds here and there, that match a brand colour. I've tried putting the hex code in when making the colour matte, but the hue it generates when I drag the matte into the sequence is nothing like what it should be. I've also tried making a flat colour jpg in Photoshop (with Adobe RGB 1998 colour profile applied, and no conversion happening when I export it), and bringing that into Premiere but I get a different (and still wrong) hue. So I can see Premiere is applying some kind of colour profile or grading, but I cannot work out how to make it stop. I really don't need anything too complicated, ideally I'd just like it to be as close to the bog standard Adobe RGB 1998 profile as possible so it looks closer to what people will expect.

I've looked at help pages to do with Lumetri colour, but it talks about changing the settings - I'm running Premiere 2023 and no settings for Lumetri are visible to me. Unticking the boxes in the Lumetri panel has no effect on the way the colour looks. I've had a look through project and sequence settings but still can't see any way of applying a colour profile. I don't really know what I'm doing with this particular issue so if anyone could please advise a simple way of getting more accurate colours I'd appreciate it.

This is how the jpg from Photoshop looks (correct):

And this is how it looks when I bring it into the Premiere sequence (not correct):Thank you.

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Correct answer Shebbe

If you click on Premiere Pro in the menu you can go to preferences. There under General there is a checkbox for Use Display Color Management. But now that I see this it must mean that your timeline settings are not correct either. Go to Sequence -> Sequence Settings and see if the timeline is set to Rec.2100 because it should be Rec.709. That would explain the internal difference since the source monitor is not managed in the same way as a timeline->program monitor. It just views the source as is afaik.

R Neil Haugen

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And from a comment above, are you on Pr2023?

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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Emma24405109488fAuthor

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Yep. I do say that in my original post.

Shebbe

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Leaving the complex video standards vs web viewing aside for a moment, if you want a numerical match without any converion you can do 2 things.

1. Open the file in Photoshop and go to Edit->Assign Profile and set it to Don't Color Manage. Then save it as whatever format you want it and make sure "convert to sRGB" is disabled in the save/export options.

2. You are talking about pure color backgrounds so you might as well generate them inside Premiere instead. Just add a new Color Matte and give it one of the brand colors and the accompanying name.

[edit] I see you already tried number 2. But just to verify it's not some other error, make sure in Premiere general settins [display color management] is turned off. Now check the color vs Photshop where you've set the profile to Don't Color Manage. If it's still different there is something else going on.

Further more Adobe RGB is not the space client colors are defined in, unless perhaps in your instance that is explicitly specified. It's typically web based which means sRGB.

Without opening pandoras box too much, you probably want to set your macbook to sRGB / web setting. The stupid thing about that preset is you can't change brightness, but you can make a custom profile based on that one and then set your desired nits. I'd recommend 120nits for controlled average office up to 180 for bright office.

If you keep your display set to P3 1600nits you're forced to work fully colormanaged which for an amateur makes things very complicated because video standards in the current year still don't play very nice with web.

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Emma24405109488fAuthor

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Thanks for this. I did mention that I don't know where to find the colour management settings in Premiere, that's the reason I posted - could you tell me where I'd find 'display colour management' please?

If you take a look at the screengrab I've uploaded to the reply above yours - these two views are on the same monitor, at the same time, and Premiere is applying some kind of profile or grading to the sequence footage, because as soon as I drag it into the sequence, it looks wrong, but when I view it in the source panel, it's fine - see below screengrab. So I think Photoshop is a red herring and best ignored for now.

Shebbe

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If you click on Premiere Pro in the menu you can go to preferences. There under General there is a checkbox for Use Display Color Management. But now that I see this it must mean that your timeline settings are not correct either. Go to Sequence -> Sequence Settings and see if the timeline is set to Rec.2100 because it should be Rec.709. That would explain the internal difference since the source monitor is not managed in the same way as a timeline->program monitor. It just views the source as is afaik.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

SDR video isn't A-RGB color primaries & color space, it's sRGB. That's part of your issue, the Photoshop image should be sRGB.

And is your monitor set for sRGB or Rec.709 ... or for some other color space? That can also be an issue. Monitor should be set for Rec.709/ and/or sRGB.

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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Emma24405109488fAuthor

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Here's how general footage is changing when I bring it into the sequence. On the left is how it looks when I view it in the source panel, and on the right is the sequence I'm building. I think the same treatment is being applied to everything I bring into the sequence, including the flat colours.