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Stan Jones
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May 30, 2023
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Audio Track Selection for Source Media Transcription

  • May 30, 2023
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Edit 12/15/24: Update on Multichannel Audio Transcription Support. Tests on PR Release 25.0.0 confirm that this is working for mono and stereo, and that the problem with Sony FX MXF files was fixed. Users experiencing problems should start a new thread and ask for assistance. Include information about the files used and process for transcribing.


PR Release version 24.0.0 added transcription of multiple audio channels for source media for mono, and stereo was added in Release Version 24.1.0.

 

Manual transcription occurs when right-clicking the source in the Project Panel, or using the 3 dot menu in the Text Panel.
If PR recognizes the file as having multiple channels, it adds "Channel Selection" to the options in the "Create Transcription for Source Media" dialogue. If it does not see multiple channels, you do not see that option.

 

Automatic transcription occurs when you set preferences to transcribe files when they are imported to the project or added to a sequence. It also occurs when untranscribed sources are in a sequence, and the Transcribe button is clicked in the Text Panel.


Auto-transcription uses a mix of the audio tracks. This works well as long as there is little overlap of dialogue on multiple channels.

 

An earlier post in this thread provides more detail:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-ideas/audio-track-selection-for-source-media-transcription/idc-p/14284739#M12271


Edit 10/30/23: Update on Multichannel Audio Transcription Support. PR Release version 24.0.0 added transcription of multiple audio channels for source media, but only for mono. Stereo has been added in the Beta version, and is in active development.

 

Auto-transcription still looks only at audio track one.

 

If PR recognizes the file as having multiple channels, it adds "Channel Selection" to the options in the "Create Transcription for Source Media" dialogue. If it does not see multiple channels, you do not see that option.

 

Some MXF files with multiple mono channels are not yet working correctly.

 

See these posts from staff:

 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-beta-bugs/text-based-editing-doesn-t-work-with-multiple-audio-channels/idc-p/14155069#M1380

 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-ideas/audio-track-selection-for-source-media-transcription/idc-p/14113645#M11053

 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-ideas/audio-track-selection-for-source-media-transcription/idc-p/14132036#M11257

 

Original Post: Text-Based Editing/Source Media Transcription as rolled out in Releaase 23.4.0 does not allow for the selection of which audio track to transcribe, but transcribes only track 1. From forum posts, users often appear to have multiple audio tracks per file, including microphone, camera(s), sound board input, etc. The workarounds quickly become onerous.

 

I recognize the difficulty, which is encountered when using nesting workaround. Instead of one transcription per clip, you must have multiple transcriptions per clip. In my experiments, the audio track picked currently for transcription is not changed by mapping audio channels etc. So any method using multiple audio tracks/transcriptions would need to name them in a way that the user could understand and track.

 

Workarounds:

 

  1. Modify the source file so the desired clip is audio track 1.
  2. Place the clip in a sequence, create a static transcription (which allows audio track selection), and then nest that sequence. That nested sequence carries the transcription and behaves like a source transcription.
  3. Select the multitrack file in the Project Panel and Clip -> Audio Options -> Extract Audio. This creates as many files as there are audio tracks, named [Filename] + Extracted.wav, [Filename] + Extracted_1.wav, etc. Note that the numbers are in revers order to the audio tracks in a sequence. For example, if there are 2 audio tracks, the file named ...Extracted_1.wav will be audio track one and the file named without the _1 will be track two.

 

Note that anytime transcribed clips are on different tracks in a timeline, the higher-ranking track (e.g. audio track 1 is higher than audio track 2) will be active.

 

If you are upvoting this idea, be sure to click the numbering box in the upper left of the thread, not just individual posts.

 

Stan

 

 

74 respuestas

Xzault
Participating Frequently
October 2, 2023

Here is the requested Screenshot, it still does not find the audio, with the latest build as of today. 

Participating Frequently
October 2, 2023

I have the same.  Updated to Build 38 this morning on my M1 iMac.  I now get an option to pick an audio track for source transcription, including mixdown (nice), but it doesn't acutally work.  

Stan Jones
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October 2, 2023

@Xzault,

 

Let's see what @Kerstin Ebert suggests. In the meantime, it might help to see a screenshot of selecting the clip in the Project Panel and then Right-click -> Modify -> Audio Channels.

 

Stan

 

 

 

Xzault
Participating Frequently
October 1, 2023

I have the latest build and still no audio transcription, it does let me choose channels now, but i get nothing, upsetting. i tried in Davinci and it works there, so my file is not the problem. 

Stan Jones
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Community Expert
September 30, 2023

@Xzault,

 

See my post above to @Gerald21842482fek3. This was a problem in build 35 that was fixed in build 37. But I'm on PC, and an update for Mac had not dropped then. Build 38 was available on PC this morning, so I hope a fix is there for Macs also.

 

Stan

 

Stan Jones
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September 30, 2023

@Kerstin Ebert,

 

Update to my post on Build 37; now on Build 38.

 

As on Build 37, the multi-channel transcription option shows for a multichannel sample, and does not for a regular stereo file.

 

The 4 mono-channel audio-only file is now transcribing correctly: selecting Channel 2 results in Channel 2 transcript.

 

I tested creating a duplicate of the file in PR. It has the initial transcript I created (Channel 2), and, as expected, shows "Re-Transcibe" as the option. But when I transcribe it to Channel 3, they each keep their respective transcripts. That's good!

 

I then tested doing Clip -> Audio Options -> Breakout to Mono. This creates 4 clips named [Original name with extension] + Channel + Channel number, for example, 4ch-mono Adobe.mov Channel 1. They all inherit the transcript associated with the original file. And if you use "Re-Transcribe" they do not prompt for the channel, because they are no longer multichannel clips. So all 4 can be selected in the Project Panel and Re-Transcribed in one go. And each of the 4 has its correct transcript.

 

I thought because they did not prompt for multichannel transcription that they had lost their channel information. But in Modify -> Audio Channels, each clip has its original channel.

 

I'm now imagining the transcription dialogue with the ability to select which channels I want to be transcribed (more than one), and it creates the breakout with its transcript.

 

The real challenge for this workflow is how to work with multiple overlapping transcripts in a timeline. There, I'm imagining some way to show/hide overlapping info.

 

Filler words - working correctly I think, as in Build 37. There was a short delay (3 or 4 second) in display of the filler highlighting after the transcript populated the text panel. This was the first time I had the filter set to Filler before opening it. Only a 2 1/2 minute video, so not that long.

 

Stan

 

Xzault
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September 29, 2023

just installed new beta and this is what i get when i hit transcribe. MacStudio Ultra M1, 128GB, 13.5.2

Stan Jones
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Community Expert
September 29, 2023

The option that I now have a look at allows the same thing you have in sequence transcription for identifying one track or mix, but looking at channels in the source file.

 

I'm sure that what you want is for it to allow choosing multiple, discrete channels to produce multiple transcriptions, correct?

 

Also, what I see is that, if you re-transcribe, it replaces the previous transcription.

 

Let's see what the plan is.

 

Stan

 

Participating Frequently
September 29, 2023

I haven't had any issues with static transcripts in sequences but I have only used the mix down option.

A typical use case for us is an interview shot on XDCAM (8 channel) with guest on CH1, host on CH2, maybe camera mic on 3,4 whatever.  A "fix" that allows you to choose audio 1 OR 2 is not a solution for us.  The workarounds are serviceable but hopefully a source mix down option is in the works.

Stan Jones
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Community Expert
September 29, 2023

@Gerald21842482fek3,

 

Ah. I suspect it will drop soon.

 

What do you get when you transcribe a sequence as a static transcript and select channel 2 or higher?

 

I found in build 37 on PC, that the new process allows specifying channel 2 etc for a source media, but actually only transcribed channel 1. I'm sure this will get fixed.

 

I'm curious about the processing all channels observation. What are you seeing?

 

Stan